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Did 6 million jews really die in the Holocaust?


I believe it happened, but 6 million seems like a far fetched number.

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Most of the victims were not shot or killed in the KZ. Most of them were killed by starvation. The Nazis ran out of food and thus tried to keep the supply solely for the German citizen. They targeted 2100 KCal for each grown up German, this only Non-Germans got, who worked in very important heavy jobs. Jews got from start of war only 700 KCal at best, this is the recommended intake of a 7kg Baby. This killed most of them, maybe not directly, but indirectly, as they collapsed during work or just died on one of the transports from A to B, when they basically got 0 food for days.

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> Most of the victims were not shot or killed in the KZ. Most of them were killed by starvation.

This is incorrect.

The absolute majority of victims were killed inside these camps, around 4 of the 6 Million.
However, many of them did die of starvation or the side effects that come along with it - but that still happened inside these camps.

Where do you think the majority of victims starved? In the wilderness?

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Sorry, I simplified incorrectly with killed in gas chambers. Thanks for correcting.

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It's not far fetched, but from all historical estimations, this is indeed on the higher end.

First of all, the number 6 Million is not written in stone as a definite number, it is the accepted estimate and the true number, we will probably never know at this point. Methods used to acquire these numbers range from census counts and calculations to individual research to witness testimony.

There have been multiple noteworthy attempts to determine a precise estimation and from those "generally accepted", the estimations range from 5.1 to 6.2 Million, most of them coming to the conclusion of around 5.9 Million - hence "6 Million" is the accepted number used today (and for decades now).

People saying "6 Million Jews were murdered in the camps!" are wrong, however, as roughly 2 Million of them were murdered outside of such camps by other means.

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I'd like to add that to this day, it rubs me the wrong way that the sole focus of the holocaust is on the Jews and almost exclusively so. At best, you read short remarks about other groups targeted, like Roma and Sinti, but you rarely if ever read what really matters.

The total estimate of victims is not 6 Million - that's indeed just the Jews.
The total estimate of victims is 17 Million - and no one talks about it.
It's always just "6 Million Jews" which is absurd because almost the same amount of Soviet non-Jewish civilians were murdered as well, let alone all the people from other groups.

While Jews were the largest individual group targeted, ultimately more gentiles and other groups were victims of the holocaust than Jews.

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"...sole focus of the holocaust is on the Jews..."
Not true, leastwise not where I learnt about it.

"...ultimately more gentiles and other groups were victims of the holocaust than Jews...."
Also not true.
Or provide me with a source, perhaps I'll learn something new.

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"it rubs me the wrong way that the sole focus of the holocaust is on the Jews and almost exclusively so"

And Stalin had much more people killed but there are still not many famous movies about Gulag.

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Yeah, another good example.
We could also look to Asia and what happened under Mao... bu that would be politically incorrect and we don't want that, do we.

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Yes, and people can openly deny the crimes of Stalin and the communist genocide. Try to do that with Holocaust and you'll be cancelled immediately.

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Cancelled? You would go to prison in Germany doing so, it's literally illegal.

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That was an euphemism for prison and/or losing your job.

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