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Overly long and aggressively annoying


It had about 75 minutes of actual plot, and 2 1/2 hours of lingering pointlessly on Native American culture to rack up woke points. Marty is losing it in his old age a la The Irishman. Take even just the first half hour; it could've been 8 minutes long. There is no reason for even the first scene between Leo and De Niro to go on and on and on as much as it did, cut the damn thing Marty. I don't know who's lost their touch more, him or Thelma Schoonmaker. The definition of a pretentious and meandering critic bait pic.

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Even though PR narratives push the idea that Scorsese made consultations with the Osage people to ensure as much authenticity as possible, it seems this authenticity extended only to the costumes and portrayal of some rituals. The fact remains that DiCaprio and DeNiro hogged the screen time, about 80% of it, and the native characters are reduced to either “noble savage” or “helpless victim” tropes. I don’t know why most of the narrative and camerawork focuses on Ernest, a completely uninteresting and disgusting character. They had the audacity to make DiCaprio the main character and stick him on some kind of redemption arc and make Molly so passive but try to cover it up with PR stories or saying all the right things in interviews.

But what is disingenuous is news stories announcing Leo’s huge salary for a film that is about white oppressors forcibly stealing the wealth of the Osage community. Add to that no mention of what his Native American co-star was paid. It is abhorrent considering the subject matter of the film, it makes his lip service to, what he refers to as “the plight of the Osage community”, seem like mockery. If he keeps the movie royalties…that is blood money, sir. 

The making of this movie was not the time for Scorsese and DiCaprio to indulge their egos. They miscalculated the artistic angle they took for being creative or novel. The film drastically reduced the weight of the flesh and blood of the real story in favor of crafting an award vehicle for Leonardo. It’s a self promoting stunt at the expense of real people by completely hollowing out the real suffering of the Osage people. The self interest motivation is so evident and embarrassing because there is no depth in any of the protagonists.

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Long movies need to be treated as mini-series, imo. There's no way I can watch a long movie through in one sitting at a theatre. It's much more digestible if you watch 30-60 mins at a time, and doesn't make you think 'Damn I wish this was over, already!'

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"The definition of a pretentious and meandering critic bait pic."

Pretty much my thoughts after watching it last night.
It wasn't a bad movie and it had it's moments, but the political pandering and award baiting was so obvious, I felt insulted.

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What's hilarious is that DiCaprio missed out on awards completely and even no Oscar nomination. And you know he was ready to receive one. It's even more hilarious that this was one of his best roles. I only saw his character, not him. Rare with DiCaprio roles.

And movie get into overall awards nominations. But no wins. Oppenheimer takes them.

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I only managed 45min but what I saw was 2/10

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At the point when FBI and Jessy Plemons showed up - I was over it and was pushing FastForward button. Just to see how it will end. It was too boring and was going forever.

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