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Tulpa inconsistencies?

posted 7 years ago by Kazak (2025)
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So, so far we've seen at least two tulpas. Probably more, but that's beside the point. Diane and Dougie. There's some inconsistencies with the way these two tulpas are presented. Dougie has a different indentity entirely, even a different form (overweight). Diane, on the other hand is essentially an imposter. The same name, the same history, presumably the same form. I'm not saying these inconsistencies could not be plausibly explained, perhaps different types of tulpas, etc., but as it stands this needs some explanation. I guessing it won't be addressed at all, at least in this season. Thoughts?

[–] Popcorn Kernel (2368) 7 years ago

I guess they needed the Dougie tulpa to be on the down low so bad Coop wouldn't find him, so he was living incognito with his own identity.
but Diane tulpa was more of an undercover spy or something?
Does that mean the real Diane was in the lodge? But if the tulpa was created after evil Coop raped her then how does the tulpa remember the rape?

[–] Kazak (2025) 7 years ago

Hmmm, I'd assumed it was bad Coop who "manufactured" Dougie in the first place, for the purpose of interfering with the transfer?

[–] Popcorn Kernel (2368) 7 years ago

I think Good Coop manufactured him because he told the guy "I need another one" and he plucked hair from his head.
so they will sue the DNA in that hair follicle to make another tulpa.
If good coop had not created Dougie, why would he say "another" one?

[–] Kazak (2025) 7 years ago

I see. I wonder how clear this will become? As mud, I reckon.

[–] keybored (2656) 7 years ago

Because he was aware of the manufactured one already.

[–] krl97a (5619) 7 years ago

No, Mr. C could have used his own DNA to make one. He made the first Dougie as a decoy to avoid being pulled into the Black Lodge, and then he apparently made the fake Diane from the real one. The real Coop was just saying that he wanted another (but hopefully better) Dougie made so the family wouldn't be left without a husband/father figure. He had to get back to his own life.

[–] krl97a (5619) 7 years ago

These "seeds" seem to be powerful and have some flexibility. I wonder if some of the exotic technology we've seen was also created from seeds or something similar. Could that explain that weird box that suddenly shrank into something small when Mr. C made that call?

[–] Gary (60) 7 years ago

I guess you have to allow some creative license with Twin Peaks. Really some science fiction territory, deux ex machina. There doesn't seem much logic involved in the Lodges. I imagine Frost and Lynch themselves couldn't quite explain it. It's almost like the discussions about James Joyce's 'Finnegans Wake' for instance. Or Homer's Odyssey. I could see Mark Frost writing a series of novels.

As to tulpas, I wonder if the real Diane was murdered? Being out of the bureau for awhile this seems possible. So she might be in the Black Lodge now. Mr. C is a tulpa also. And I'm guessing that Sarah Palmer has one of herself. I thought that when she answered the door for Hawk and there was noise from the kitchen, the real Sarah. (I bet that was Bushnell in the boxing movie clip she was viewing). I think Dougie was really Dale but in an interim state.

This also reminds me of 'Donnie Darko'. On the surface non sensical but if you read Roberta Sparrow's (aka Grandma Death) book things are explained. Frost might do something similar.

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

Just another example of Lynch messing with us.

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