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The irony surrounding L3's fate

posted 6 years ago by [deleted]
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L3:37 the droid in Solo that was pre-occupied with 'droid rights' actually had quite an ironic fate.

In their haste to ensure the longevity of l3, they ensured that the droid would live on as a part of the Millennium Falcon when they interfaced it with the ships main computer for navigation.

The irony is that the droid l3, who was against droids being used as the utilities they were designed/constructed as, ended up having it's frail body blown to smithereens and then it's brain now has to endure the rest of time as a navigation slave to whoever owns the MF, which was Han for so long :D.

Considering that the MF's navigation system is not mentioned with any kind of regard in all subsequent films, we can assume that the droid has no real importance to anyone anymore.

EDIT - I encourage anyone to read on at the butthurt level of toto in this thread, twisting and turning because they want 'the droid' to represent something that it does not.

[–] Martoto (4313) 6 years ago

Nice try.

But the movie tells us that L3 is not enslaved. "She" downloads her herself and starts talking to the Falcon. There were no guarantees that it would work. L3's memory/brain/whatever could have chosen not to interface with the Falcon after the unit expired. As an integral part of the Falcon, L3 gets to participate in the rebellion rather than just becoming trash. Something the droid would appreciate.

Solo never really interacted with L3 and we know he has little time for droids. But we know he is very fond of the Falcon and her capabilities.

In the novel, it plays this out longer, with L3 unsure if she wants to continue without a body, but also definitely didn't want the Falcon and her crew, including herself, to meet their fate in the maelstrom. By the time the Kessel run is complete, L3 and the Falcon's original navigation computer brain are gone. The they are fused into a new thing.

The irony here, little threatened by a fictitious-comically-woke-robot person, ss that you are dismissive of the notion of droid sentience AND gleeful at the idea of L3 "enduring" the rest of the time as a slave.

Did the brave little toaster keep you up at nights too?

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

It was interesting to see how in the face of danger you mention that 'the droid' l3 went back on their stance and chose to become a utility - a part of the MF's nav system, instead of stand their ground and die for what they believe in; droids freedom to not be used as the utilities they were designed for.

I guess when push comes to shove, the droids conviction wasn't as strong on the inside as it was vocally on the outside - self preservation took over :D.

[–] Martoto (4313) 6 years ago

She didn't abandon her convictions. She fulfilled them on on Kessel and paid a high price doing so. She was against droids being misused. Not used. She was free to choose death, for her and her friends, but chose to become something else. And for life to go on.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Yes the droid did. It could have perished free, or live but would have no autonomy and be given a simple mundane task for the rest of its days - which is against what the droid apparently stood for.

Instead of perishing for what the droid believed in, it COWARDLY chose to go back on it's convictions and live on.

Lando also didn't care enough about the droid since he could have ordered a new body and re-transplanted l3's workings back across. It was probably cheaper (since a droids value is only really in the work it, as a utility, can produce) to just get a new, more competent droid.

We see other droids being completely rebuilt after being destroyed, which we can consider the value in doing so a reflection of the droids individual potential for output. Take C3PO for example, a droid that often promoted the very purpose of its construction and was more than happy to perform - was reconstructed after being blown to pieces in ESB. One can extrapolate that since this precedence has been set in other films, the value of l3 was just too low to bother with. FURTHER when you consider that the droid is never mentioned ever again that it has been completely forgotten about by all parties, if it wasn't replaced/discarded.

[–] Martoto (4313) 6 years ago

If she perished on the Falcon, it wouldn't have been for what she believed in. There's a difference between expecting autonomy or the right to choose what to do and just being totally recalcitrant and self serving.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

The droid would have perished free/disobedient, but chose to save its own hide - negating it's entire character arc, for the better mind you.

Droids are constructed to serve a purpose after-all.

[–] Martoto (4313) 6 years ago

She didn't obey. She chose. It's really simple.

She didn't have a character arc.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Chose to obey, got it.

[–] Martoto (4313) 6 years ago

She wasn't ordered. So how could she obey?

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

The droid is given the instruction to plot them a course for point-a to point-b and complies. This goes on for the rest of the MF's life.

It's hardly a difficult concept to grasp.

[–] Martoto (4313) 6 years ago

When was the droid instructed? The neural core was connected to the Falcon, as before, and it chose to become part of the ship.

At no point is any part of L3 forced to obey. Just in your imagination in order to serve this half assed, straw grasping theory presented purely to satisfy your bent out of shape nose.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Whenever anyone who pilots the MF needs a route from point-A to point-B, l3 is directed to give them the route and it obeys. This is what it chose to become instead of perish. The irony is that the usage of droids in such a manner is precisely what l3 fought the mini-uprising against. Hence my point about going back on it's conviction for self preservation. I literally had to spell it out for you ...

What is your issue with the droid being just a function of the MF's control system now? Love how YOU mention grasping at straws, now that IS ironic.

[–] Martoto (4313) 6 years ago

L3 no longer exists. L3's neural core and the Falcon's original nava-computer are now a third thing.

When did I say I had a problem with the droid now being a part of the ship?

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

I'm really enjoying how often you change your story.

[–] Martoto (4313) 6 years ago

I've changed nothing.

If I really was. And you were really enjoying this, you'd have actual shown where I've changed it and what to. Instead of just saying so.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Love how the exact moment you finally understood the point that l3 now has to be nothing more than a navigational addon for the MF and do the pilots bidding that now magically l3 is 'no more' and is now something entirely new - when you have literally been referring to l3 individually this entire thread - even going so far as to state that l3 gets to participate in the rebellion many, MANY years later.

But I actually like your idea that the l3 is no more too.

I have no idea why you are so hung up on this 'droid' just being used as a simple utility, just like other droids. Even having it's memory scrubbed by the MF's computer for useful nav data and then discarding the rest would happen often in the SWU.

[–] Martoto (4313) 6 years ago

Feed on your own shit from now on, troll.

[–] Strazdas (2328) 6 years ago

She was connected to and downloaded into MF. Her programming made her do it. There was no free will involved. She never participates in anything other than navigation since then.

Droid sentience is an oxymoron. If it is a droid it has no sentience. If it has sentience it is not a droid.

P.S. Actually brave little toaster is nightmare fuel if you watch it as a kid. That movie is very wierd when you try to analyze it.

[–] Tutankhamun (85) 6 years ago

Fighting against what was naturally intended. Sounds familiar.

Also, why do feminist resort to claims of everyone being threatened??

They love those excitement words, like rape, threatened, and now anyone who disagrees with the majority is an incel?

All just to get a rise out of the sheepish ignorant masses.

[–] Otter (24464) 5 years ago

Okay, if L3 actually chose to become part of the Falcon because she believed in the Rebellion that strongly...

How did she feel about being used as a smuggling ship instead of a Rebel fighter for the next decade?

[–] actionkamen (23176) 5 years ago

She didn't feel.

[–] Otter (24464) 5 years ago

Well, she did before she became part of the Falcon.

[–] actionkamen (23176) 5 years ago

She thought she did, but actually she never did.

The Robocop reboot movie (awful movie, but hey) has a clever point about this.

[–] Otter (24464) 5 years ago

No, the Droids in Star Wars have been shown as emotional ever since C3P0 spent the first 20 minutes of the first film panicking, screaming, getting angry with R2D2, despairing, panicking again, etc. Sure, 3PO is the most emotional droid we've seen, and is probably the most openly emotional character in the whole saga as he's the only one who never tries to hide his feelings, but nowhere in the Star Wars universe has anyone tried that "Robots have no emotions, they're just programmed to act like they do" stuff you get in other sci-fi, including "Star Trek: TNG" (where Data never failed to annoy me with his inconsistency).

So yes, L3 was shown to have feelings. First feelings of outrage at the treatment of Droids (justified), worry over Lando's feelings for her which showed not just feelings but sensitivity to the feelings of others, and triumph when the Droid revolution finally seemed to be under way.

Sure, it's not realistic for robots to have emotional lives, but Star Wars is chock full of things that aren't based in reality, but which still play well on screen.