The movie is not even about the accords. They just throw that in at the beggining of the film but that does not carry on. The fights dont happen because of differences in ideologies, they happen besause Winter Soldier this, Zemo that.....
This movie did not NEED Zemo. The comic didnt. I just think the heroes fighting each other because of what they believe is much more interesting than someone who mindcontroled a dude.
I disagree. Especially in the movie. If it was just Iron Man vs. Cap, you ultimately have to take a side as a viewer. Which means, you're AGAINST the other hero. Which is not something that is marketable. If you have a villian....someone pulling the strings and manipulating them...then you can say "Well, Cap has a point but so does Iron Man...but boy that Zemo was a bastard wasn't he?".
shareYes.. the movie I piched is really difficult to make especially at the point we were in the MCU. But come on, the script could have come up with better motivations for the characters. Now I liked the movie. Its really entertaining and all. But did you know that Mark Millar didnt like the film? And I bet my ass its for the reason I started the topic with
shareMike Millar derailed a lot of characterization. I honestly prefer the movie.
shareI prefer the movie too, man.. but I liked that aspect about the comic. It just wasnt as fleshed out of an idea as I wanted and when they announced the movie I was hoping they would fix that on the film
shareI agree that the Accords and Zemo both work to the same ends without quite needing the other but I think they're both important to the story.
I'd say Zemo was needed because Bucky would have stayed hidden and it's unlikely Tony would have ever learned he killed his parents if it weren't for Zemo. Granted, with the Accords, they'd still have a Cap/Tony fight but I don't think it would have had the personal drama without the Winter Soldier angle. Cap wouldn't be fighting for his oldest friend and the Avengers wouldn't have broken up due to Tony learning about his parents' deaths. It would have just been superheroes throwing down which, I think, is part of what was wrong with the comic.
Granted, if Zemo was disguised as someone form the UN and pushed for the Accords, that might have gone a long way to reconcile the two subplots.
Maybe he did do that....
shareI hated the comic but liked the movie. At least Tony didn't clone Thor in the movie. Or do any of the other scummy things he did in the comic. Though Thor blowing off all of Tony's armor in the middle of the desert and leaving him there because he cloned him was a great moment in the comics.
shareSee for my money, this is the best MCU movie ever made. It gives you so many conflicted moments. One minute you can see how Tony is so right, the next minute your thinking that Steve's got a point and so on and on.
I have personally watched CA:CW at least 6 times now and in the beginning, I was 100% on team Captain America. Then a funny thing happened. I watched it a second time and noticed things I hadn't before. By the end of the third viewing, I had crossed lines and was 70% on team Iron Man. By the fourth viewing, any lingering sympathies I had with Steve were gone. I was 100% with Iron Man.
The reason? Tony was right. Steve was wrong.
You can argue that Tony was right but for the wrong reasons, whereas Steve was wrong but for the right reasons. Yet I have problems with that explanation, because it somewhat excuses Steve for acting like a self-righteous jerk. It pains me to write! Cap has been one of the best characters in the entire MCU, due to his unabashed certainty of always doing the "right thing" in a situation. However it was this same, stubborn self-certainty he applied to the circumstances in Civil War, making him blind to any sound argument, save his own. His greatest strength (his sense of right), became his greatest weakness. Even Black Widow confronts him before the airport fight and asks him if he really wants to punch his way out of this. That's the crystalizing moment where I realized that Steve was wrong. Then again, everyone who's seen CA:CW has a take on who, when and why. This is what makes it the MCU's best.
It's a gut-wrenching movie in so many ways. It makes you question the ethics of power and tests your sense of loyalty to a beloved character.
Bravo the Russo bros!
Thanks for your comment man.. it did help me see the film in a more broad way. I still wish it was more like what I started the topic with, but good one, good one.
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