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Season 2, episode 6 (spoilers)


What the heck was that thing that Bobbie saw on the farm moon? An alien? Did the UN attack the Martians in that scene or was it another group?

That new character, the Doctor who wants to go to Venus to investigate Eros. All I have to say about that is "it's your funeral."

Why did Naomi deceive the crew regarding the proto molecule sample? What's her gameplan?

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Confuse, Obfuscate, then Reveal = Dramatic Series Gameplan

In a good story, we get answers to these questions that are consistent with the Universe and character traits shown previously.

In a lousy story, we get crappy answers, inconsistent History, Characters, and then more questions that lead nowhere.

In a passable story we get some of both. I'd rate The Expanse as passable, thus far. Frankly, I'm not vested in any character enough to care why they are vag or butt humping each other.

I thought the History tale of the "magic" drive was annoying. Sure...another physics-defying story element. Why not? Magic aliens popping up near and far. They have already crossed a threshold of BS...at this point the only satisfactory conclusion is for Earth to become lifeless, Mars, without power, and the Belters praying for magic alien intervention to save them.

Galactica (2003) did the same thing - took a great premise first season and then muddied it up until it was a befuddled worthless mess.

Sure, I'll keep watching, because I like to see spaceships explode on TV.

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You and I are seeing and experiencing different things, both in this show and BSG.

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As someone who read the books, I believe you are a bit off.
Keep watching; the events will unfold in very interesting ways.

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The name of this episode is Paradigm Shift, and I guess that's what the alien form that we saw in the end was all about.

Naomi probably thought that the proto molecule is too precious to be destroyed, even though it is too dangerous to handle at the moment. But in the end it doesn't matter cause aliens are obviously among them already. That proto molecule sample could become handy one day to fight the aliens with their own weapon, I guess.

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I wonder if the aliens that attacked the Martian marines were sent by Mau to instigate war between Mars and Earth. He bankrolled the stealth ships that took out the Martian battleship. And to what end?

If the aliens are a separate entity from Earth, Mars, the Belt, Mau's corporation, and they do not have control over the proto molecule, then things are getting very complicated fast.

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I also think that aliens were sent by Mao. Seems to me that alien ships (I think we saw 3 of them, if I remember correctly) were primarily sent to destroy the crops and not instigate the war, but I could be wrong. I also remember seeing UN marines shooting at something other than martian soldiers... aliens like the one we saw in the final scene, maybe? If that is true, UN also knows that martians weren't the ones attacking, but aliens, and therefore nobody will accuse the other side of starting the war.

One more thing: when Bobbie was watching the dome, she saw someone jumping and waving at something or someone... what was that all about?

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Was wondering the same thing. Maybe it was meant to appear like someone was waving at her, but maybe they were really trying to get her attention because they were quietly under attack.

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I thought about that, but don't they have any other means of communication? It would be strange if UN and Martians can't communicate with each other other than waving.

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Maybe it's like a north/South Korea situation.

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scientist doing jumping jacks in the space gym

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That was my second guess. :)

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How were aliens sent by Mao? I'm not following you on this one.

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I'm not so sure those aliens are "separate" from the protomolecule that Mao has created.

It seems unlikely to me. It seems to me the alien is the proto molecule, or something like that. Make sense?

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Perhaps in a sense that proto molecule is the egg and alien is the chicken. If you need to fight a chicken, maybe you can use the egg to breed a different kind of chicken that will destroy the first chicken. And that's why that proto molecule hidden in the belt may come handy one day. I don't know...

Anyway, you were responding to filmtenk, but I got notification. Strange...

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I think it was some kind of alien humanoid form of the protomolecule. The blue light in the end of the scene a clue to that.

Pretty sure the attack is Mao's work. Since the beginning he (and his supporters) has worked hard to create war between Earth and Mars. Attack the martians disguised as UN and all the hard tension will for sure lead to the war. Why they want this war is what I am most curious about.

Whole episode it seemed that all their old loyalties to the different factions were reawakened: Naomi as a belter, Alex as a martian and Johnson questioning Holden who wants to be neutral. Not so happy with how they did this part. Seemed a bit forced and unnatural to me. But as part of it, Naomi probably did the fake torpedo launch as a loyal belter, as Johnson wanted to study it.

Not as fantastic as last episode this, but still great stuff. Loved the space-battle in the end. Just seems so much more realistic than all other Sci-Fi series.

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I don't recall if Johnson even knew about the sample... did he?

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No, I don't think so. But he's been keeping that scientist they captured, so Naomi knows for sure that he would be interested. In that scene where the crew discussed what do with the sample, Johnson's dubious interest in the protomolecule was mentioned as another reason to destroy it. I think Naomi didn't destroy it in the case that it could be useful for the belters cause.

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You're probably right. I figured that she decided to keep it "in case of eventual future emergency", but it's more logical for her to give it to Johnson... although this is a very dangerous game she's playing if she gives it to Johnson.

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Johnson suspected the Roci crew was up to something big when he talked to Holden about the nav logs. Maybe he knew of the proto molecule sample but didn't know where it ended up. Johnson is definitely seeming more duplicitous and less honorable than prevously thought.

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That, my friends, is an extra-terrestrial and my goodness, they did a good job introducing it.

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Many people seem to think that the Ganymede battle was Mao's attempt to start a war between UN and Mars, one blaming the other.

As someone who has not read the books, I don't see how it's possible, if UN clearly saw that they were attacked by aliens and not Martians. Martians probably think they were indeed attacked by UN, but it would be enough for UN to show them aliens on their videos of the attack. (They do have video records of the attack, don't they?) Are we supposed to believe that nobody recorded aliens and all communications were down long before the attack (which would explain the guy waving)? But Martians did have communication lines before the attack, so why wouldn't UN have the same?

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I just realized this. The UN marines that were charging Bobbie and her squad were running away from an alien. A few UN marines stops to turn around and shoot at it. Maybe this was obvious to everyone but I just noticed it. Pretty awesome.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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She seems to be pro Belter so maybe she thinks this could help the Belters.

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