What a ridiculous and terrible thing to say! That character lost my sympathy pretty quick.
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"Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."
- Yoda, "The Empire Strikes Back"
Honestly, I agreed with her. Pregnant women always seem to be untouchable in these type of horror movies. But the child had every much of a right to live just her unborn. Hell.... Everyone did.
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Well in that case, the pregnant woman didn't deserve to live either. She setback and was completely okay for a child to sacrifice herself for her to live. She never stepped forward and offered herself. She was okay for everyone to die. That's just as selfish. She just stood there crying pretending to not be just like everyone else - desperate to survive.
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shareShe wasn't being selfish. She had to protect her unborn child. And the little girl knew that.
I don't feel enough for you to cry.
Oh well.
Really? So you really don't think not thinking about the well-being of a living and breathing child standing beside her is not selfish? smdh. She clearly wasn't thinking about anyone other than herself.
shareWell, she was also thinking about her own unborn child.
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"Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."
- Yoda, "The Empire Strikes Back"
Which is the same is thinking about herself and only her predicament..... She wasn't weighing the odds and determining who should live like the other participants were. She just expected to save her because she was pregnant. So again, selfish.
sharePeople will tend to be more protective of their own children, especially when cornered to choose between her own kid or another's.
share"tend to be" is a wrong explanation. We are literally hardwired in the brain to protect our children. This is evolutionary beneficially as we get to continue our DNA sequences to the children who then continue having the same hardwired brain. I wonder though how modern medicine fucked with such evolutionary pathways as now those who wouldnt breed - mostly do.
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Well in that case, the pregnant woman didn't deserve to live either. She was completely okay for a child to sacrifice herself for her to live. She never stepped forward and offered herself. She was okay for everyone to die. That's just as selfish. She just stood there crying pretending to not be just like everyone else - desperate to survive.
The pregnant woman was played by Allegra Masters, a "Vine" star who specialized in cramming comedy bits into Vine-sized bites.
To me, that means her character's expression, when Katie was deciding to kill herself, was very intentionally sneaky.
She was waiting for Katie to decide, on her own, to save the baby.
Accept the fact that it's 100% authentic and makes perfect sense?
Sorry, but almost any woman could get pregnant. While the fact that she "presumably" didn't use birth control shouldn't be a death sentence, why does that give her a free pass?
Why is she better than anyone else in that room?
And don't give me the crap of "oh, but she counts as 2 people" that's just dumb.
Just like the banker guy saying that people who have kids should get a pass. Why? Does that mean that people who want to have kids but didn't have them yet deserve to die?
Do the kids in their deserve to die because they didn't have a chance to have kids yet?
Well, she does count as 2 people. Even if other people in the room would have had kids eventually, she's the only one with an unborn child inside her at the time.
Nobody in the room deserved to die, but saving the pregnant woman would have given them the chance to save 2 lives instead of just one. It would have been the slightly lesser of multiple evils.
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"Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."
- Yoda, "The Empire Strikes Back"
There's plenty of other factors you can weigh to determine which individual deserved to live more. Being pregnant is merely one NOT the only and definitely NOT the best one.
And again, the pregnant woman never made any show of thinking about the life of the child standing in front of her. She just expected the child to die for her. So she definitely wasn't the most moral one in the world like some of you try to make her out to be.
And again, the pregnant woman never made any show of thinking about the life of the child standing in front of her. She just expected the child to die for her. So she definitely wasn't the most moral one in the world like some of you try to make her out to be.
I found myself clapping after reading that.
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I kinda loled, but yeah. That was sorta the point, though considering he was kind of an antagonist you were supposed to want to see die
shareI agree, she should have been voted off the island just for saying that
"Abortion is green!"
Doug Stanhope
what ironic is that they wanted the unborn to be alive but if the baby was already born but in her arms and crying she and the kid would be dea right away
i've got feelings too, ya know - inbetweeners
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Me too. What a stupid comment, if everyone refused to have children then the human race would be extinct. The assumption made was that everyone should be on birth control whether you want to have kids or not.
shareMore like, does she count as more than any one of the others, just because she’s pregnant?
If the aliens are doing this to everyone, humanity’s survivors had better include doctors and engineers, people who can maintain civilization better than than newborns
Study history, civilizations rise and fall, young people are more important to the existence of the human race and the rise of civilizations than doctors and engineers.
shareLegit point, but modern humans rely on our current tech more than survivors of the Black Plague did
Regardless, we've gotten off topic anyways ... the OP's point is that was a douche-baggy thing to say, and I most definitely agree with that. But the characters were in a messed up situation - anything they might say could get them killed, so why not say what's on your mind?
That said, regarding the point you (vicky_i2001) made a year ago: it's not about refusing to have children. It's a question of whether pregnant-lady deserves to live JUST because she's pregnant.
On the face of it, it's two lives versus any of the other single lives - pretty simple calculus.
On the other hand, there were other characters who seemed "worthy" for one reason or another. There was a doctor and a soldier, as well as the guy who remained silent on principle. On the subject of principles, the one-armed guy seemed pretty stand-up, as did Sean (the kid who agreed to off himself) and the pilot (who killed himself to save Sean).
The fetus is blameless, of course.
But the woman carrying the fetus? She was manipulative and sneaky in her own way. She played the victim throughout, but when the chips were finally down, she waited out Katie (the kid), knowing or at least hoping Katie would decide to kill herself to save the baby.
I've posted about this elsewhere, but the pregnant woman was played by Allegra Masters, a Vine comedy poster who's great with facial expressions (in my opinion). The close-up of her, while Katie's deciding what to do, is the first time we see the "real pregnant woman" come out. For the first and only time, she looks calm and crafty. And again, being a fan of Masters, I can't believe this was by accident.
So even if she presents a two-for-one, she's personally not the best pick, by filmmakers' design.
Or maybe she is - the actor who played Eric points out in the commentary that sneakiness might be a worthwhile survival trait. He specifically referenced Richard Hatch, the first "Survivor" winner, who famously won by guile and manipulation.
Ridiculous, terrible and also absolutely correct. An unborn childs life is not magically worth more just because its unborn. If anything, its worth less because we havent spent years educating that life.
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