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Just who is the slippery one here?


This is after S3 E3. My memory may be fuzzy, so help me out. This isn't about just Chuck v Jimmy. Didn't Chuck start this latest sequence by stealing Kim's Mesa Verde account? And then Jimmy helped Kim get it back. So Chuck is an a-hole for doing that and Jimmy became Slippin' Jimmy for a bit. In retaliation, Chuck became Slippin' Chuck by setting up the tape recording.

Prior to that, Chuck screwed Jimmy out of a job at HHM despite Jimmy got the big case by himself. What I am saying is Jimmy got a big case through his own work. Next, Jimmy got the job at Davis and Main with Kim's help. Then I think Chuck worked behind the scene to get Kim sent down to the basement and Jimmy out of Davis and Main (?). Jimmy quit Davis and Main though and again got viable clients through his own work and his elder law practice. He did the Slippin' Jimmy bit to make some memorable ads.

Chuck got Mesa Verde due to some dubious backstabbing and this was the biggest case he got for HHM. What else has Chuck done for HHM? He seems more focused on his brother than his work.

Now, we know that Chuck wants Jimmy disbarred. That's him being an even bigger a-hole than before.

I think the whole story still boils down to the mother calling for Jimmy even though Chuck was there. Maybe she knew who the slippery one was after all. It wasn't Jimmy even though he had his faults. We need to know all this before the big payoff of someone getting their just desserts.

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I think the hospital scene was just a microcosm of the family dynamic that had been simmering so many years. Chuck's perception is that his parents always liked Jimmy more than him, even though Chuck was "good" and successful, and Jimmy was "bad" and a screwup. Chuck believes that Jimmy has everyone fooled but him, including their parents, and I think he resents that his parents didn't see Jimmy through the same eyes as him. In Chuck's view, his parents were *victims* of Jimmy, but they couldn't see it (or refused to see it). In Chuck's mind, their parents' continued doting on Jimmy was profoundly undeserved/unfair/unjust. Plus, from what we've seen, their parents were simple working-class people, and Chuck might feel they never fully appreciated the significance of his own accomplishments.

Just as we've seen Jimmy struggling and craving approval from Chuck, it seems Chuck had a parallel struggle for approval from their parents, while he perceived Jimmy as getting a "free ride".

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Yeah, I see Chuck's pov, but do you actually think Chuck is the "good" guy here? He played Lenny on Laverne & Shirley, but c'mon. Chuck lying to Jimmy about his mother not saying anything before she died says it all. I can't forget that scene. Their parents liked Jimmy more than Chuck just as others like Jimmy more than Chuck. Jimmy is the one who cares about people despite his con games. He even helped Chuck despite his betrayal. Twice. Sure, Chuck helped Jimmy when he was in trouble with the law and got him a job at HHM, but he doesn't want him to be a lawyer because it's against his high standards. In reality, Jimmy wanted Chuck to be proud of him, but his high standards won't accept that. Jimmy can't be a lawyer because his moral character is flawed. Chuck's a hypocrite because he's willing to help Jimmy, but only on his terms. He has to always accomplish more and be better than him. Chuck even thinks that Slippin Jimmy was the one whose behavior killed their father after he found he was taking money from the till. Do we know the full story on this? Chuck even has his medical "condition" due to his high standards. This is my theory on that. I think his condition started after his wife divorced him. It sounds like he can't accept anything that goes against his high standards and will do anything to maintain those standards even lie and cheat and be Slippin' Chuck. It's all great rationalization in his mind. Eventually, we'll see his comeuppance.

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I think Chuck *believes* he's the good guy. And I do think there's a kernel of truth to Chuck's criticisms of Jimmy, though I don't think his cruelty to Jimmy is justified.

Chuck is clearly jealous, and he's in denial about it. Chuck lacks Jimmy's charm, and he resents the way that charm makes many situations "easier" for Jimmy. Lots of Chuck's opinions about Jimmy and his parents are almost certainly true, but what's tragic is Chuck's chronic unwillingness to ever give Jimmy the benefit of the doubt (though Chuck would claim that I only say that because "you don't know my brother as well as I do"). Whenever Jimmy tries to better himself, Chuck undermines him, and then Jimmy sinks to meet Chuck's expectations. This is why season 1 was so important. That "chimp with a machine gun" speech sums up Chuck's refusal to believe that Jimmy can better himself, despite what he said on the sidewalk last week while they were waiting for the cops to come arrest Jimmy. The Sandpiper Crossing case was a perfect opportunity for Chuck to nurture Jimmy along a more "noble" path, but he refuses to give him a chance.

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They're both slippery.



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For all his high and mighty moralizing, Chuck is equally or more slippery than Jimmy. He's a devious and malicious ball buster. He's just so fucking petty. In episode 4 at the restitution conference, he argued over PENNIES for the cost of the cassette tape. He argues over piddly wording in the confession. He corrects Jimmy over trivial shit like who read a childrens book when they were little. He is the kind of anal retentive asshole who always needs to be right all the time even when it does not matter at all. It's no surprise that his wife left him. Would you want to be married to a person like that who never let anything slide for even a millimeter? ugh he just disgusts me.

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Slippery Chuck for sure, he's actually very crafty and malicious. I just wonder if he'll survive to the events of Breaking Bad...

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That's a good analysis. I never looked at Chuck that way before.

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