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https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/tokyo_vice/s01

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Nice, i'm sure it'll get a few more seasons.

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I've watched the first two episodes and have enjoyed it. It feels refreshingly original in an age where so many shows and movies feel like retreads of the past.

Unfortunately it seems like few people are actually watching. The audience score on RT is made up of only 64 reviews. It feels like that number should be way higher by now. It has an 8.3 on IMDB, but again, that's only made up of 2,000 ratings. Considering how much traffic IMDB gets, it seems like that number should be higher also.

But yeah, it's a good show, or at least off to a good start after two eps.

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Fake news!

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An accusation is exactly that, and the rich and famous are magnets for them.

This is not, of course, to say that he's innocent. But it is to say that he is at this point not convicted of any crime.

I don't want to live in a world where all someone has to do is accuse another person of something to ruin that person's life. Fuck that.

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"I know it's wrong, doesn't make sense and is completely unfair to this actor, but I've (somehow) concluded this horrific accusation is true. So I'm gonna not only avoid his work, but go online and feed more grist into the rumor mill."

Congrats: YOU are exactly what's wrong with the world.

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I can't imagine then how you react to Woody Allen's work.

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The first ep wasn't as good as I was hoping. I had a tough time with the logic. If he's so immersed in the culture, and seemingly an expert, why doesn't he know more about the field and the terrain there? Wouldn't he already know that "There's no murder in Japan!" Why would he dare do the things he does, if he knows the culture? He seemed green and an expert at the same time. Anyway, maybe it gets explained, or it gets better, at least.

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I think he knows the language very well but is still relatively new to the culture.

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I didn't get that impression from the setup. I'd feel differently if they showed the typical setup where he's just off the plane, moving in, and has only an academic background, but struggles initially getting used to his new terrain. Yet this guy is part of the neighborhood when we meet him, and seemingly ultra driven and immersed in this goal in the field. Wouldn't he notice the lack of murders reported in this newspaper, which he's dying to work for? I'd think he'd know every inch of crime reporting content in that paper already. It implies that he does, but somehow he missed a lot. Savvy, one minute, oblivious the next.

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I can't remember exactly what is discussed in ep 1 but consider the following:

1. He's very young and we're told he's from Missouri, so we know he wasn't raised in Japan. He also seems to have no family there. So this indicates that he moved to the country on his own. Considering his age, we should then understand that he hasn't been there long, probably not more than a couple of years.

2. Regarding the lack of murders, likely the lack of reporting on murders would lead him to believe that Tokyo is a safe city with little.murder. He would not automatically jump to the conclusion that murder is happening but not being reported as murder. Remember that the deaths are reported, but false causes are attributed. If he considers the paper, and Tokyo PD (who announces the causes of death), to be reliable sources of information, then he will accept the reported causes of death at face value.

What we're seeing is a young guy, relatively new to Japan, who knows the language and is enthusiastic about the country, coming to learn that not everything in Tokyo is as it may seem on the surface.

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You're leaving out a key thing. Crime, journalism, and Japan is his thing. Someone else living in Japan for a different reason might not raise an eyebrow at the lack of murder in the newspapers -- but he's the guy reading, watching, listening like any person with that rabid journalism mindset would. His whole thing is forensics and a desire to uncover the reality. They show him with certain titles and clippings, as you would expect any crime geek to have. If there's a type who'd already have heard that Japanese newspapers handle things this or that way, it's that guy. He's someone who interacts with all the locals, observing shady characters going into clubs, just like you'd expect a journalist to do. Accepting at face value is exactly what that type doesn't do. He'd chat up the local bartender, shop owner, guy at the newsstand, etc, etc, always sniffing around, understanding how things really work there.

And he'd also know the differences in the culture, which he seems to in many scenes, but then rebels against the parameters of his first writing assignment. What Japan loving person, already living there, would decide that he could defy authority in his first writing assignment? You wouldn't do that in the US, never mind as the one white guy at a Japanese newspaper, where there are major cultural differences in what's considered disrespectful or insulting. But he seems to know all those differences when you see him in the neighborhood.

I've said all I can. Not that important, but I didn't understand him well. Initially, I even thought he might be acting extra green on purpose b/c he was playing some long game for some reason we'd later learn, but by the end it just seemed like it didn't have that depth. We'll see. I think Mann only directed the pilot, or the first two, I forget.

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All I can say is that I feel your're speculating greatly about his character and drawing conclusions that aren't apparently from the content of the show. I'm not saying there isn't logic to your thought, but I am saying I don't think the writers intended us to think he's quite that savvy and capable.

On the contrary, I think he's capable but also very green, out of depth, and young. He's just a kid.

I'd say keep watching. Some of your questions may be answered. I'm starting ep 4 as I type this. I think overall it's a pretty good show and one of the more interesting things that's come on TV in recent memory.

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Just because he's studied and prepared well doesn't change the fact that he's an outsider who spent all of his formative years in a completely different culture. I don't know why you think he should just know everything that a native would know? Also it's pretty clear that he wants to make his mark. He doesn't want to just be a nameless, faceless contributor. He wants to stand out and probably had visions of taking the newspaper by storm until he received his first reality check.

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