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Agree with the 'villain?' Does that make you an a**hole?


Personally, I found myself agreeing with the "villain" of the movie. He made some extremely valid points regarding humanity, and the human overpopulation problem which exists (and is only getting exponentially worse). I’m not part of one of the Abrahamic cults (Judaism / Christianity / Islam) so I haven’t been programmed with an anthropocentric mindset – I don’t think that humans are better or more deserving than the other life we share this planet with. On the contrary – other animals aren’t responsible for this mass extinction event we find ourselves in (only 5 in our planet’s entire history) / other animals don’t commit genocide / other animals don’t take part in deforestation, poisoning rivers & oceans, overfishing & overhunting / other animals don’t commit barbaric & savage acts in the name of profit or religion. Other animals don’t consume grossly beyond their needs. Other animals don’t try to rationalize selfish & sadistic behavior of their own species. I could go on and on, but I’ll stop here..

Maybe the human herd SHOULD be culled. Though his method may have not been the most humane (ironic word, isn’t it) approach. If this sort of person actually existed, perhaps instead of killing off currently-living humans, which is a bit cruel, he could have just sterilized them and effectively killed off future generations, solving the problem a few decades later.

At this point, that actually seems like the ethical action to take. At this rate, in a few centuries, humans will single-handedly destroy this planet’s biodiversity & natural landscapes (millions of years in the making). I think the problem is the hoards of small-minded humans, who are brainwashed to believe in their delusional divine superiority – brainwashed to believe they should "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth..." This is an archaic, outdated, and dangerous manner of thinking. It’s a shame that our level of consciousness hasn’t expanded as rapidly as our level of intelligence/knowledge.

What do you think? Did the "villain" have the right vision – just implemented in the wrong way? Could his goal be achieved in a less painful / cruel / barbaric fashion?

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Not all landmasses are created equal. Europe and North America have thrived while southern countries have failed because the climate and land in these countries are much better. Isolating other countries is how you get the Middle East and Africa

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You do not adhere to the Abrahamic religions yet you adhere to the same simplistic method of lumping everyone together.

You should learn about something called TFR (total fertility are). It differs from country to country, even continent to continent.

The replacement level is 2.1 children per woman. The entire developed world is BELOW replacement level! That means: USA, Canada, Australia, Europe (the lowest TFR of all continents); even China & Brazil etc are all below 2.1!!! I hoped to avoid the following but... White countries are NOT part of the overpopulation problem, it's only brown people. So stop lumping all people together like some good uneducated willfully ignorant fool!

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A well-writtain villain usually tugs at your mind a bit and ALMOST makes you agree with them. That said, I don't find myself agreeing with Valentine, however, I AM sympathetic to Poppy's motivations in the sequel. Obviously, we just wouldn't approve of their methods.

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Thanos was right, the problem is no one likes to admit we need a good culling for the rest of humanity to survive. Eggsy was the bad guy, Valentine was the hero.

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Yes Valentine got the biggest objective picture which most egoistical steerage can't fathom!

Factual Ticker of Horror: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

We are extincting our Animal Kingdom! The Black Rhino was the last prominent to got fully extinct. By 2050 even most prominent species like Giraffes, Elephants, Tigers, Gorillas will be gone. Extinct forever. With what right are we taking up all space for dumb kids?! Cats are superior and able to survive after 6 weeks. Trash Millenials hang on BFF Mama's skirt up til 30.... and beyond! 🗑️ 💩
1 Billion Human Population is Natural Balance and should have been politically regulated since decades instead of going totally bonkers over the flu! This is knowledge at least since mid 80s when I was a kid and population was 4.5 Billion. Worst unnecessary generation ever born and even after abortion rights women fought so desperate and hard for thousands of years from Mother Slavery Doom! Throwing away your best years for Teletubby talk and pissed pants!

News Flash: Everyone will die anyway.
What is 50, 60, 70 yrs anyways in the blink of the universe? No-one knowing anyone beyond their grandparents in the 18th, 15th, 12th century and what they contributed positively to earth instead of struggling to survive with way to many kids inheriting the same destiny. It's only 1% on the IQ Pyramid that matters beyond: Working some minor shit, Sleeping, Eating, Fucking, Letting Them Be Entertained.. on endless repeat!
And for the worst kin, a total retarded youth of 4 billion sheer most massive OVERpopulation we are exploiding this Wonder of a Perfect Planet! Elites should have just done without Hollywood Prophecy as with many massive stunts! I know Trash Millenials had camped outside for some damn free calls while I wouldn't have even given a fukk. Nothing is free at all. I hardly carry mobile phones / spionage device around anyway, just for mainly obscurity anyway like checking out Kim Asshole on the minute!

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The only thing needed to "cull the human herd" is the westernization of countries like India and Pakistan (mostly already happening) and higher quality of life and education in African countries. Europe, China and Americas are already reducing their population (not including immigration).

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