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The Luke complaints are not valid

posted 3 years ago by kuatorises (7467)
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The Mandalorian brought back a major complaint about this movie: Luke Skywalker. Men crying because they got to see Luke in his prime. "That is my Luke." Hogwash. ROTJ Luke is the worst Luke of them all.

For starters, NO ONE is the exactly the same person throughout their life. People change, then change again. Sometimes they are variations of the same personality type, sometimes they do a 180; then a 180 back to who they were years ago. Expecting him to be the same guy as he was when he's in his 20s is absurd.

Don't get me wrong, it was mildly cool seeing Luke stroll up in his X-Wing and show his power, but it was also extremely cliche too. He's walking around swinging his saber against insurmountable odds (dozens of enemies). It was a classic "more/bigger is better" situation. Totally cliche. Nothing special about it.

I liked it to an extent, but I also had no problem with his display of power in TLJ. I actually liked that quite a bit. It was a huge display of power and different. It was new. Unique. Not standard. He did something no one ever did (on screen) before. It wasn't the typical swinging of the lightsaber against hordes of opponents either, mowing them down with easy. That's lazy. Typical. Expected. And kind of anti-climatic.

That being said, the action was the only part I liked about his appearance in Mando. I don't like Luke's personality from that era. I never have. ROTJ Luke sucks. He was my faorite character growing up, but he has ALWAYS bothered me in ROTJ. He has no personality. He's Mace Windu-level wooden.He's not interesting because he's too busy walking around brooding and acting like he HAS TO act like he has no personality. His obsession with "saving" Vader is also a huge turnoff. People complained about him in TLJ, but I liked him much more than ROTJ Luke. He had a personality. Luke from ANH, TESB has personality too. He showed emotion. He got angry or happy. He smiled, yelled, and acted like a normal human. ROTJ Luke does not. Mando brought back that bland Luke and I don't like it.

Not to mention, Mark Hamill is damn near 70. They are not going to show him flipping and jumping like a kid. Do you want more stuff like CGI Christopher Lee jumping? Because I don't and that's what it would require to make a near 70year old man do these things.

[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 3 years ago

Here’s the problem, the last time we saw Luke he was a complete 180 of the pathetic, cowardly man baby we saw in TLJ. If they are going to radically change his character they need to SHOW his change in character and not just throw in a quick line of expository dialogue. This is not Luke Skywalker, this is Jake Skywalker and even Mark Hammil agrees with me.

Also if it takes The Mandalorian for this movie to make sense then that proves that the movie is a piece of garbage that can’t stand on its own.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

Now you just hold on a minute. You mean to tell me people in their 60s are different from when they were in their 20s?!

[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 3 years ago

Strawman, I made no such claim. What I said was if they are going to make Luke so radically different from when we last saw him they need to SHOW his progression into becoming an infantile, cowardly manbaby and properly flesh it out. Just talking about it doesn’t cut it (there’s an old saying: Show don’t tell) As I said if they are going to change him that much then they might as well just create a new character. It sounds like Rian was more concerned with just doing what he wanted rather than creating a coherent narrative that respects what came before it. If that’s the case he’d might as well just make a completely new franchise that’s not called Star Wars.

This entire ST undid everything that happened in the OT so that they could just tell the same story all over again, heck thanks to Disney Han Solo now goes through the same character arc 3 TIMES!!!!

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

"Strawman, I made no such claim."

Oh, you didn't?

"Here’s the problem, the last time we saw Luke he was a complete 180 of the pathetic, cowardly man baby we saw in TLJ."

Come on, man. You don't like Luke in TLJ and you are certainly allowed to not like hi, but you your opin has to have merit.Your complaint is Luke is different. You said it twice now. Lets be real now, you don't like that he was like that, you would not have accepted it even if it were more fleshed you. You simply don't like Luke like that way.

And I got news for you, TLJ SHOWED us more than ANYTHING in the original trilogy. Any reference to the clone wars, Yoda, Obi Wan, or Anakin's past? Told, not shown. AT ALL.

[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 3 years ago

That’s still not what I said, I never once said people didn’t change over time, I said the movie didn’t do an effective job of conveying a logical reason for his change. There’s a difference kid, and yes you did strawman. My complaint is not that he’s different, my complaint is they didn’t flesh out or give a compelling reason for why he was different, they just did what they had to for the sake of the stupid story that Rian Johnson wanted to tell whether it made sense to or not, and for the most part it did not.

Look son, if you want to debate that’s fine but at least be honest about it. Misrepresenting my position is not an honest tactic.

[–] SageMaster33 (859) 3 years ago

people like you are why movies suck these days...
people like you are why Game of Thrones season finale sucked...
your type of ideology tends to brake logic, reason and canon, it sucks all the entertainment off of media..

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

What is my ideology?