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So the ending of Return of the Jedi meant nothing?


As the empire just bounced back and now we are in the EXACT same situation as we were at the beginning of episode IV? That's just stupid, seriously Disney come up with something original.

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I dont think you watched or understood any of the Star Wars films. In Ep 4 the Empire had control of many planets, even a crappy dust planet like Tattooine had foot soldiers around the port. It had a giant space force spread around the Galaxy, shown in Rogue One it had representation on planets. It could drop large scale armies and hardware on any planet.

Force Awakens the new order had a planet station and a big gun. Small army ground army. 2 commanders Hux and Kylo Ren. Maybe a few large ships and a small tie fighter army. Maybe we dont see whats around the galaxy but nowhere near anything the Empire had in place by EP 4

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An orphan on a sand planet escapes the empire oops I mean first order on the falcon oops I mean Millennium Falcon. Finds a droid R2D2 oops I mean BB-8 with top secret information. Fights off two tie fighters oops I mean first order tie fighters as they leave the planet. Princess Leia I mean Poe Dameron put the death star plans I mean map to Luke Skywalker into R2-D2 I mean BB-8 just minutes before he is captured by Darth Vader I mean Kylo Ren. Then later Princess Leia I mean Poe Dameron is rescued by someone in a Storm Trooper uniform. Meets up with the rebels oops I mean resistance then visits a cantina oops I mean cantina and learns about the force from yoda oops I mean Maz K. Then Luke oops I mean Rey watches her mentor be killed by Darth Vader oops I mean Kylo Ren. Then lets call her "Rey" helps destroy the death star oops I mean starkiller base by deactivating the shield generator so that x-wings oops I mean x-wings can make a trench run.

Yeah, basically its a brand new story...

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If they actually explained who Snoke was, the transition might make more sense.

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