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Open question: imagine somebody is born as a woman and then given testosterone since birth...


...so he/she develops as a male.

What would you consider that person, a man or a woman?

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No, because they are born a woman. It's not like a caterpillar that changes into a butterfly through natural science.

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Why not? If that person develops as male, that person would be considered a man, no matter he was born a woman. You are what you are, not what you were born. If you treat somebody with hormones since birth to develop as male, what you get is a male.

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If they are what they are, they wouldn't need testosterone shots.

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That's correct. For example: if you take a normal XX female newborn, you remove his gonads and then inject testosterone shots for a few years, he will produce enough testosterone naturally. Human body is wonderful, isn't it?

We can accept he would be a man, then. What's more: he wouldn't be a woman by any means, since he would need estrogen shots if he wanted to transition back to female, and real women don't need estrogen shots.

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he will produce enough testosterone naturally.

It's not natural. "He" would just be able to produce estrogen without further assistance, but it's not natural. That would be like telling an amputee that he is walking naturally because they got mechanical legs.

Transwomen who have ever had cervical cancer: 0

Transmen who have ever had prostate cancer: 0

Transitioning doesn't increase their odds of getting these respective cancers. It's literally impossible.

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They need the testosterone in the womb. They end up a Tomboy.

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A tomboy is a female with male behaviors. You give testosterone to a female newborn, that person will completely develop a male body, the vagina would fuse and he would develop a penis. That's a man, no matter how he was born.

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Those behaviours are usually due to brain differences. If it happens to all mammals, it's innate.
Gonads develop between 2-6 month in the fetus. There is NO way to reverse it, someone would have done by now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_differentiation_in_humans

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She'd still not have a dick, would still have ovaries. Would still have xx cromosomes, so she'd be a woman, although a strong and ugly one.

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They are a woman who was given testosterone. She still has 2 X chromosomes.

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