So one day in the not to distant future wolverine, after living out his life since 1973 with everyone else, suddenly wakes up one day not remembering anything. Why exactly is this? We know he disappeared while being mind-teleported into the past, but after he was dragged out the river, he was alive and conscious.
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I'm ..confused.
shareDon't bother with this Kryptoguy's stuff. He made it all up with his imaginary "Zero Event".
[1913 - The Zero Event. The mutant Unknown materializes in the past (from his perspective) and alters the events in various way. Some humans and mutants' inceptions/births will shift before or after their original time (in Timeline Prime A). Unknown will never return back home.]
Right... How does that even work?
Hey Jubilee's grandmother, I know you are only 12, but make with the sex already! We need to get your grand daughter into this world sooner so she can... Well, basically so we can cut her scenes from a movie. Now, get on that kid over there and start humping!
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When Wolverine went back in time he sent his consciousness back into his younger body. While his future consciousness was inhabiting his younger body, his younger consciousness was being suppressed. Remember that scene where Wolverine freaked out upon seeing Stryker, leading to him having no idea what was going on? That was his younger consciousness reasserting itself because his future consciousness was beginning to lose his hold over his younger body. Remember, Kitty told him that he had to remain calm, otherwise that would happen.
So, at the end of the movie, his future consciousness permanently jumped back to the year of 2023, leaving his younger consciousness to permanently reassert itself with no memory of what happened the previous few days except for those few seconds where he saw Beast and Xavier at the summit and was told that he took bad avid.
His future consciousness, meanwhile, is now inhabiting the body of his alternate timeline self. This is the version that woke up in 1973 after being dragged out of the river, confused as to what happened those past few days. What happened to his alternate consciousness is a matter for debate. Some have suggested that it is also being suppressed and thus perhaps they can be merged with Xavier's help.
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So, at the end of the movie, his future consciousness permanently jumped back to the year of 2023, leaving his younger consciousness to permanently reassert itself with no memory of what happened the previous few days except for those few seconds where he saw Beast and Xavier at the summit and was told that he took bad avid.
His future consciousness, meanwhile, is now inhabiting the body of his alternate timeline self. This is the version that woke up in 1973 after being dragged out of the river, confused as to what happened those past few days. What happened to his alternate consciousness is a matter for debate. Some have suggested that it is also being suppressed and thus perhaps they can be merged with Xavier's help.
It's 1973. Wolverine drowns, prompting his future consciousness to snap 50 years into the future in the blink of an eye. Wolverine's body is recovered from the water and he revives himself. He then goes on to live his life in the new timeline until 50 years later, in 2023, when one day he is replaced again by the consciousness of the Wolverine who came from the other, apocalyptic timeline. It's that simple.
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shareIt's 1973. Wolverine drowns, prompting his future consciousness to snap 50 years into the future in the blink of an eye. Wolverine's body is recovered from the water and he revives himself. He then goes on to live his life in the new timeline until 50 years later, in 2023, when one day he is replaced again by the consciousness of the Wolverine who came from the other, apocalyptic timeline. It's that simple.
What happened to his alternate consciousness is a matter for debate. Some have suggested that it is also being suppressed and thus perhaps they can be merged with Xavier's help.share
It is suppressed. Kitty told him before sending him back that he would be the only one who would have memory of both timelines.
And, as already noted, when he drowned, his "future" consciousness snapped back to 2023. After he revived himself from the drowning, whatever knowledge/consciousness that he was living before his future consciousness took over came back.
I'm probably slow on the uptake on this, but I just realized that the night before Wolverine "wakes up" in 2023 he, and everyone else, presumably knew that the next day he'd wake up not remembering anything from the past 50 years. That must have been a weird night for everyone. It would have been funny if he had done something like dressed all weird, had Cyclops sleep next to him or something before he went to bed to mess with other consciousness Wolverine the next day.
shareBeast, Scott, and Jean all treated him as if he was their Wolverine and the latter two showed confusion as to why he was acting strangely. Meanwhile, Xavier was annoyed by Wolverine's odd behavior until Wolverine said that line about needing help with his history. Xavier then looked at him with gleam of recognition on his eyes and it was clearly at that point that he realized that the day had come when the Wolverine he knew in 1973 had returned.
shareWorse than that for Wolverine - He's going to go to sleep knowing his entire consciousness will be removed from existence when the alternate Wolverine takes his physical place...
But this assumes that 70s Professor X et al know the exact date / time Logan came back from (which isn't certain).
Wolverine has essentially lost all the memories of his life and all the people he knew.Correct. It's sort of a theme with him. As soon as he gains his memory back something else happens to make him lose it again. share
"Wolverine has essentially lost all the memories of his life and all the people he knew."
No.
He never HAD those memories. It was the other version of him that did - basically, his soul was killed by another timeline's version of his soul - or perhaps they swapped bodies permanently, as energy can't be destroyed, so neither can souls..
The REAL answer is: "Writers don't think, so you can't make sense out of movies".
This is asked a lot. I haven't read the other responses here, but I will offer my own thoughts as to why Wolverine doesn't remember 1973-2023. Simple put, there is only one timeline. Wolverine of the existing timeline left his body in 2023 and possessed his own self in 1973. he altered history and created a new timeline that replaces the one the film started with. When he returns to present day, he IS the Wolverine from the old timeline that no longer exists. What happened to the experiences of the Wolverine in the new timeline? I think they are still there. We only see Logan for the first few minutes after he wakes up in this new future. I think that in time, and with Xavier's guidance, both timeline experiences will merge into one being. In other words, Logan will carry the memories of two different lifetimes. That is my theory, anyhow.
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I am not a fan. I just happen to enjoy movies. Fans are embarrassing.
What happened to the experiences of the Wolverine in the new timeline? I think they are still there. We only see Logan for the first few minutes after he wakes up in this new future. I think that in time, and with Xavier's guidance, both timeline experiences will merge into one being.
He just got back. His new memories haven't kicked in yet.
share^THIS!^ Its the same reason why Marty McFly is confused by his family @ the end of BTTF1. If Logan were to take a few days off (in his case, even just to drink) he would remember it all, HOWEVER he has a class to teach, and learn from so he takes a 'crash course' from Xavier @ the end about what happened afyer the events that only he, Xavier & to a lesser extent Mystique, Magneto & Beast will ever truly know about!
I fell asleep during INCEPTION BUT I FEEL like I still saw it!
And there you have it in a nutshell. The Wolverine just needed some time to “reflect.”
shareBecause, future Wolverine never experienced the new 1973-2023 timeline in which the Sentinel Program is scrapped and doesn't exist, so when he finally catches up to this new alternate 1973-2023 Wolverine timeline, and he re-asserts himself, tells Professor X that the plan worked, Professor X says Welcome Back, and then Professor X fills in the blanks--post movie.
From what is gathered at the end of the film, only Professor X and Wolverine are aware of the original unaltered timeline in which X-Men, X2 X-Men United, X-Men The Last Stand, X-Men Origins Wolverine, The Wolverine, and X-Men Days of Future Past happened.
Now what I really want to know is why was Mystique posing as Stryker at the end of the film, when Stryker obviously captures Wolverine anyway and converts his skeletal structure to adamantium anyway.
All these problems have the same reason - they want to give us 'rule of cool' and 'twists' instead of 'interesting stories', 'good writing' and 'meaningful event sequences that make sense'.
We will always be suffering from this confusion, because of the idiocy and personalities of the writers.
Also, as one of the modern geniuses often likes to point out, money.
(Who am I talking about is probably hard to figure out - or maybe it's super easy, barely an inconvenience..)