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Perfect Balance of Human and Kaiju


Usually they either skew too heavily in one direction, or create a human story that is of little interest., but so far they've really nailed the balance between the human interactions, the story that holds the viewer's interest, with the appearance of the giant monsters. That isn't always easy in these sorts of films. It was done to perfection in the 2014 Godzilla film, as well in Godzilla Minus One, and so far they are spot on here as well.

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I know what you mean. I loved the human story in Godzilla vs Megalon. The 2 adult men and the little boy were very interesting

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I know you always post to be funny, and you usually are, but as it happens this time I'm honestly in complete agreement with you. Godzilla vs. Megalon is my favorite of the pre-2014 Godzilla movies, and a large part is the dynamic between the two lead actors and the little boy. Their interactions, their outfits, the guy's home/lab, and even the kid's toys are all fabulous, and they make 1970s Japan look like the best time and place on earth. Throw in Jet Jaguar and those crazy Seatopians and you have a movie with infinite, non-ironic, rewatch potential.

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All of the 60s and 70s Godzilla movies are ridiculous and a riot at the same time. King Kong vs Godzilla and Mothra vs Godzilla were good. The other movies all had ridiculous to comical plots attached to them including Megalon whether it was silly alien invasion angles to a giant monster created by pollution or a James Bond style plot with the Sea Monster which was a giant lobster

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So this is worth investing in Apple TV+ for right?? I've been waiting for more reviews before subscribing

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It's hard to say without knowing your taste in cinema/TV. I've been enjoying it immensely, and am eagerly awaiting next week's finale. Others are less enthused. The best I can say is, if you enjoyed the 2014 Godzilla and Godzilla Minus One, then you will probably enjoy this. If you prefer Godzilla King of the Monsters and Godzilla vs. Kong, then you might find this sorely lacking in kaiju action.

If your politics run to the anti-woke side, and you can't tolerate anything with a bit of wokeness and forced diversity, then you might be put off by this. The leads have clearly been handpicked with DEI in mind: an effete Asian male, an unattractive Asian lesbian female, and an unattractive black female. Lots of boxes checked there. If, like me, you can put politics aside and enjoy something solely based on merit, I think this show delivers the goods. At this point, nearly everything coming out has a message to shove down your throat, and this is no different.

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Wow.. I love Monsters like this, but why did they feel the need to shove a goddamn message down our throats over it?? I'm surprised they Cast Kurt Russell since he's white??

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Anna Sawai (Cate) is not unattractive.

I wouldn't say they have the greatest acting chops though.

Although given the ties Godzilla has to Japan, I think it's dodgy to suggest this is DEI driven.

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Godzilla may be a Japanese creation, but this is an American-made show. And yes, we can debate back and forth about its wokeness, but I'd rather not. Too much of this board devolves from discussing the film in question into arguing about politics.

My statement was based on what I've seen in the show: Monarch is run by a stern female, with a milksop, apologetic, bumbling male assistant. He eventually teams up with a different stern female who commands a military force. Meanwhile, a brilliant female discovers some clues to locating kaiju and is brought into HQ. Our heroes include the lesbian (I think the actress is unattractive, you don't) and the emasculated male, and the brilliant black female who can hack any computer and outsmart all the men who have been working for the better part of a century on cracking the case. I don't want to spoil anything, but another mighty female has just shown up to save the day.

Does any of the above make me dislike the show? No. Do I think the show was written and cast that way by accident? Not a chance. Will some people hate the show simply because the above is true and pay no attention to its merit? Sadly, yes.

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Tim is not *that* bumbling, and is presented as being on the right a number of times. I don't really get what makes Kentaro "emasculate" other than him not being presented as alpha, or something. He's just an average slightly nerdy/artistic person. And Cate for a heroine is shown to be infidelious (although I guess it's a declining part of their character).

Kentaro, their father, is revealed to be a deadbeat dad who keeps secrets. Randa, a white guy has his theories eventually proven and his reputation repudiated. Lee Shaw, a white guy, who may be somewhat morally ambigious is not incompetent at all.

And Dominique Tipper (Naomi Nagata from the Expanse) plays an evil corpo woman who I assume may show up in S02 again.

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All that aside, what do you think of the show?

I most enjoyed the early scenes, when the characters met in the '40s and '50s, and their interactions leading up to the founding of Monarch. I thought the early episodes did an excellent job of cutting between the modern story and the backstory, and Shaw's undying love for Keiko has been handled perfectly.

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With the reveal that Keiko is still alive in the monster world, I wonder how long she's been there. She doesn't seem to have aged all that much, but she's clearly been there awhile if she's running around killing kaiju with a homemade bow and arrow. How exactly does time pass down there? Are she and Shaw really going to get a second chance?

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>I most enjoyed the early scenes, when the characters met in the '40s and '50s, and their interactions leading up to the founding of Monarch. I thought the early episodes did an excellent job of cutting between the modern story and the backstory, and Shaw's undying love for Keiko has been handled perfectly.

The inter-drama between the siblings and May was exhausting, and probably was unnecessary in many ways. Some of the plot paths taken were stupid, and some of the behaviour of the main 3 characters (singing in an excluded military zone) and literally having Kentaro exploit NPC guard AI to trick the guards into losing them was comical.

Tim surviving a helicopter crash that killed all of his colleagues, and them stumbling to the nearest desert was absurd. Then later, both him and Kentaro surviving the collapse of the building was absurd.

>With the reveal that Keiko is still alive in the monster world, I wonder how long she's been there. She doesn't seem to have aged all that much, but she's clearly been there awhile if she's running around killing kaiju with a homemade bow and arrow. How exactly does time pass down there? Are she and Shaw really going to get a second chance?

Probably not long at all.

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