It's so annoying seeing this movie get awards. It was so fucking boring. Nolan did a terrible job of telling the story. Oppenheimer's witch hunt is the most boring part of the story and he focused 90% on that instead of the bomb. There are even a few scenes that he even copied from the previous movie, which is ridiculous considering the expectations we had for a nolan movie.
shareYou don't think it deserves awards for the cinematography, score, sound, or any of the technical aspects?
shareHonestly, no it doesn't. All those aspects were above average but there are many movies that achieved it. Nolan excels at making something technical look cool and interesting. He didn't do any of that here. All the bomb related scenes were almost lifted directly from the previous movie. Also they basically lied in their marketing. They had the actors going around talking up how amazing the bomb scenes were and shit. The teaser trailer had just some bomb going off. The movie is almost entirely not about the bomb.
shareWhat would be your personal picks for best cinematography, best score, and best sound for 2023 films?
sharefirst of all, i know you're just using this to have something to trash. second, this year's movies have been horrible. i barely remember a good one.
shareI am not looking to trash your opinions. I'm honestly curious what films you thought had the best technical elements because I believe Oppenheimer was the best technical achievement.
shareThen why do you care if this movie gets awards or not? It'd be one thing if it was getting them over something you think deserved it more, but you apparently just hate everything.
sharebecause it won golden globes best picture? i never brought up sound nor cinematography. it's not even fucking close to best picture. it's a 6/10 at best.
shareI didn't think much of Oppenheimer too. And I used to be a huge Nolan fan, until Interstellar came and since then, I've thought each of his movies that came afterwards has oscillated between over-rated & really bad with poor sound, poor dialogs.
Anyway Best Cinematography should go to The Holdovers, Best Score to The Holdovers and Best Sound to Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning.
I was first clued into Nolan's poor writing and directing of dialogue when I saw Dark Knight in 2008, specifically the Police meeting scene and the Joker's goons in the beginning. He's a great director in presenting visuals and action, and he's even pretty good at eliciting nice performances from the actors. I just don't care at all for the dialogue and characters in his newer movies, and to me, that's the meat and potatoes of what a movie should be.
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Nor: Everything Everywhere All at Once, Nomadland, Parasite, Green Book, The Shape of Water, Spotlight, Birdman.
Anyone still talking about these movies? No one. The last Oscars worthy movie for me is 12 Years a Slave. It was 2013! After that Oscars turn into politically correct ceremony.
i would agree with that whole list except parasite. also why would people constantly talk about a movie years later? lastly, 12 years a slave was boring. are you black? lol.
sharethe best way to look at the oscars & other movie awards is to see them as trade shows. they're ways for the industry to showcase their more commercial product.
the movies that get awards nominations are generally the ones where the venn diagrams of overlapping qualities satisfy industry requirements - enough commercial appeal to have played to at least some audiences & enough acclaim & critical buzz to justify a nomination & usually enough money behind the movie to promote an awards campaign.
personally i liked oppenheimer a lot & would probably say that, of the movies that came out last year that basically fulfilled those things listed above, it was my favorite. it's not my favorite overall film, but the films i liked personally aren't going to make people watch some endlessly long awards show.
Today, the Venn diagram would have to have a third circle consisting of DEI requirements. At this point in history, Academy Awards are nearly meaningless as credible measures of merit and quality.
shareyes, absolutely. the right politics, or at the very least the absence of any kind of 'wrong' ideas is a requirement. & you definitely should make sure you have all the right identity boxes checked off.
god i despise that shit.
oppenheimer gets a bit of a pass here because it's 'boat' & made tons of money.
no this is false. most oscar best pictures are incredibly good. in some years, it's sjw bullshit but mostly it is not.
sharenever said they were not good. they're often great. just that they have to fulfill requirements, check certain boxes.
a few years ago a small movie came out called diane. mary kay place gave a performance that everyone raved about.
but that a movie like that will 'almost' never get an actor or pic nom because the indie studio that made it likely won't be able to afford a big campaign, & the people who vote for such things will probably never have it land on their radar.
once in a while something will bubble up. something like that happened last year i believe in the actress category. those are rare exceptions.
i don't think the awards are meaningless, but they are confined.
i'd still say the best way to think of them is as a trade show. a way for the industry to get their product showcased. it means something, but i'd never look at it as the final answer on a movie's worth or quality.