S1E4 - Sexy Yelena


I'm sure all of you still watching will have noticed her entrance near the end of the show. About time too. The fight was a bit silly seeing that they were at times fighting against the duo together then fighting each other as they recover. Yelena's Bite doesn't seem as effective as Natasha's in incapacitating people long enough though. I don't get why Yelena backed off though. Is her target Maya? If so, why even attack Clint and Kate?

Update: Ah nvm, I remember now of that post-credit scene in Black Widow where Valentina gave Yelena a target to go after whose responsible for her Natasha's death.

https://youtu.be/FxWcEEme_ww

All in all a mostly tame episode celebrating Christmas, knowing more about Jacques "Jack" Duquesne's connection with the TSM, talking about Clint's past, finally getting more info about that Rolex watch (Tony Stark).

-Nice seeing Clint knowing some trick shots with a coin and teaching it to Kate.

-New trick arrows shown in this episode: Zip-line Arrow and Sonic Arrow. I like how they introduce a new trick arrow or more almost every episode to show his arsenal array.

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The only thing I got from that scene is that she did not mean to kill Clint, it is clearly a capture mission. None of the weapons she used was lethal. Even with her gun she did not shoot.

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True. Hey, glad you're engaging with this series with me :D. Doesn't seem many are interested in this series, on MC that is :/.

I didn't say she was going to kill him else that would defeat the purpose of this series, lol. I had to re-watch some Black Widow scenes and I changed my mind. They're pretty much the same. Guess the electroshocks aren't that strong :(.

What do you think of the series so far?

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Superficial, that is my impression. They are archers, so I expect not only just trick arrows, but also insights of being an archer. I mean guns are easier to use and easier to conceal, the question for why using bow & arrow can't be just trick arrows.

I did not expect they spend a lot of time on that, but at least say something.

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You are worrying about his now after all of the movies? It's just something you have to roll with. In Age of Ultron Clint literally says "none of this makes any sense". The reason he uses a bow and arrow is because it's fun. The same reason Tony Stark flies in a suit instead of using a drone. The same reason Captain America throws a frisby.

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I think there are deeper reasons. Also it is kind of the elephant in the room, it has to be addressed. Otherwise people just would not take shows like this seriously, even subconsciously.

In Age of Ultron Clint literally says "none of this makes any sense"

I think that statement is as stupid as it gets, shows even the director wasn't taking it seriously.

I am no archer but even I can think of several reasons why using bow & arrow:

1) Arrow is silent and poison can be used on it to make it much more deadly, even a graze would kill the target. That further illustrates what Hawkeye is, a government assassin.

2) Arrow has a curved projectile motion, it can deliver payloads to places a bullet can't.

3) It can carry various payloads, i.e. trick arrows, grappling hook, etc.

But there are also problems come with it:

1) Arrows could have finger prints on them, so they might need specially made finger print resistant arrows.

2) Bow and arrow were not suitable at closer range. Having a shorter range silent weapon similar to shuriken is practical, for example Hawkeye showing Kate how to do tricks with a coin is a good start, but I am not sure they are going to further develop that. Also the very illogical retractable sword is good too, it would be nice for Kate to get that.

3) Bow and arrow are large and affect hand to hand combats. But they did address that with foldable bow, and Hawkeye's quiver seems to be specially made.

4) Bow and arrows are kind of exhausting to use. So they might need a side arm.

Anyway that is just off the top of my head.

PS: Captain America has a shield because he is not bullet proof, also it reduces the fall when he jumps from high places, so it is kind of practical for a super soldier.

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You can make poisoned bullets too. Clint uses his bow as a weapon at close range.

The advantage that a bow has over a gun is that it is more FUN. End of story.

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Bullet is another story, because it's temperature would kill or burn almost all poisons, only very limited number of poisons could be used on bullets and they have to be stored inside of the hollowed center (that is right, it has to be specially made, I don't think that can be done at home.), rely on bullets to break and fragment inside of human body to release it. It is usually pointless if the wound is shot through.

All in all poison in bullets is just not that effective.

The advantage that a bow has over a gun is that it is more FUN. End of story.

Are you just another teenager amused by toys?

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Are you an adult trying to explain why Hawkeye uses a bow and arrow to fight advanced extra-terrestrial armies and drones?

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Using bow and arrow to fight alien army actually makes sense. since bullets won't work on their armours, but arrows with explosive payload are a lot more powerful than bullets. They are really bow launched grenades.

If you don't take it seriously then it is pointless to watch these shows.

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I take it seriously. I just don't take it literally. It is fantasy. Hawkeye is able to do things with a bow and arrow that are impossible, because he is a superhero and his superpower is archery.
Why do Wakandans use spears? because they are superheroes from Africa, and it is more cool then them having guns.
Why does Thor use a Hammer? He comes from an alien race that is incomprehensibly advanced, and he uses a Hammer?You really want to try to explain that?
Thanos uses a sword....
It's not supposed to be logical, it is FANTASY.

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Hawkeye is able to do things with a bow and arrow that are impossible, because he is a superhero and his superpower is archery.

No, he is a government assassin, archery is a skill anyone can practice and master, not a super power.

Why do Wakandans use spears? because they are superheroes from Africa, and it is more cool then them having guns.

That I don't know. But it seems technologies of Wakanda were only used on the royal family and maybe tribe leaders. Black panther suit was never mass produced, not even waterdowned version. With such technologies I don't think they even have an university, their kings were foreign educated. With Oxford education black panther never thought of bring liberal democracy back to Wakanda, what does that say?

Why does Thor use a Hammer? He comes from an alien race that is incomprehensibly advanced, and he uses a Hammer?You really want to try to explain that?
Thanos uses a sword....

Those are actually fairly easy to explain. Thor and Thanos are powerful beings.

Following is what describes Thor:"Thor is capable of incredible feats of strength, such as lifting the almost Earth-sized Midgard Serpent, supporting a weight equivalent to that of 20 planets, and by combining his power with that of Beta Ray Bill, destroying Surtur's solar system-sized dimensional portal.

Thor possesses a very high resistance to physical injury that approaches invulnerability. He has even survived energy blasts from Celestials. Thor possesses keen senses that allow him to track objects traveling faster than light and hear cries from the other side of the planet. Thor has the ability to travel through time.

Thor has superhuman speed, agility, and reflexes, enabling him to deflect bullets with his hammer, and to swing or throw it at many times the speed of light."

As for why he uses his hammer other than that:"As the Norse god of thunder, Thor can summon the elements of the storm (lightning, rain, wind, snow) and uses Mjolnir as a tool to focus this ability"

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And Thanos is as powerful if not more so, "can absorb and project vast quantities of cosmic energy, and is capable of telekinesis and telepathy."

When someone says:"Thanos is the most powerful being in the universe." I don't think they meant the political power of Thanos or the military might under his command, they mean it literally.

Do you believe for such beings, guns, energy weapons, even space cruisers are anything other than annoyance? The only thing that can hurt them are their weapons in each other's hands.

The movies downplayed their powers significantly, but the stories were not changed as much. I think that is why you questioned it.

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The biggest advantage of bullets over arrows is that a soldier can shoot dozens of them in a minute, and carry around hundreds... and Hawkeye carries around what, 10-12 arrows at a time?


Seriously, how DID this guy get in the Avengers? No superpowers, runs out of ammo in the first ten minutes of combat...

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That is why I said they should have side arms, but bow and arrow have advantages. Hawkeye was not a soldier, he was an assassin, he does not need a lot of arrows to kill just a few.

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And it took him half an hour to run out of arrows during the Battle of New York in the first movie. He must have been taking coffee breaks between shooting at the aliens.

But like he said himself, "None of this makes sense".

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And it took him half an hour to run out of arrows during the Battle of New York in the first movie.

Bullets did not work against chitauri armour, guns were pretty much useless.

But like he said himself, "None of this makes sense"

That was the line I hated the most, shows the director did not take it seriously.

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I like the "none of this makes sense" line, because there's always been a strain of absurdity in the Marvel movie franchise, which I love (and you don't, I bet). It's at the strongest in the Thor stories, where you get everything from Thor's idiocy to Alligator Loki, but it's there in the Avengers movies as well.

It's also present in "Hawkeye", not a lot but it's there, so it'd totally make sense for the most normal member of the Avengers to comment on it.

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I assumed she backed off because Kate was pointing an arrow at her. She kind of made a truce. She tried to get Kate out of the way when she threw her off the building and attacked a cable to her. So she didn't want to have to hurt Kate.

I expect Yelena wanted answers about her sister's death from Clint. But then she could have just asked. But that would have been boring. So they had a fight instead.

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Yeah, could've just Widow Bited him from the start the twist tie his hands instead of just attacking him head on while Kate was busy with Maya but gotta draw out them episodes. :P

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I like her fake russian accent , makes her sexier

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Which is actually a plot hole. As a trained spy she is not supposed to have an accent.

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Plot hole! Plot hole! Durrrr.....

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You have to admit her accent was a lot thicker than in black widow, that can only happen if the director insisted.

I guess I was pissed off about the finale, just want more reasons to say the director was stupid.

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She had exactly the same accent as in the Black Widow movie. I don't know what you mean.

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No, I just watched both. Her accent in black widow was just a hint of it, in this show her accent was like a Russian student has just landed in US less than 2 weeks.

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It's the same accent.

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I suggest you re-watch both like I just did.

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I'm actually talking about Florence herself not what's going on in the show

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Well, her English access was really just not sexy at all.

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