TRUE FACTS FROM AN EX-MEMBER HERE! - September Dawn (2007) Discussion

If it was so cool, why did you leave??

Nothing is more beautiful than nothing.

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[–] miss_dkm 17 years ago

Thank you! I'm an ex-Mormon too, but I have no hate towards them. It's so insane to say your Christian and yet, hate a religion as much as people hate Mormons. I don't understand it. Christian religions teach to love everyone and there is so much hate here. It's gross, really.

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[–] miss_dkm 15 years ago

There are certain aspects of the Mormon Church that I no longer believe, and that is why I left. It wasn't because of anything bad. I just didn't believe in every detail. For example, Mormons believe in the three kingdoms (after life). I just believe in heaven and hell.

Proud Member of S.P.E.W.
Team Edward

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[–] procrastinator4 17 years ago

GSMITH:::

despite what other users have said,
I just want to say one simple word to you from the bottom of my heart;

thanks.

~Jo~

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[–] mountaindweller 17 years ago

This thread is goofy.

Why would so many people quit an organization which is reportedly so great and faultless,and will get you into heaven if it's all true?

I smell a pack of lies. I've never smelled a Mormon, but I bet they smell the same.

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[–] leftyguns2 17 years ago

Gsmith83-1 writes
Anybody else have anything to add? I'm sure I'm gonna get some idiots saying some crazy things, but I can handle it! I'm a big boy.

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Well Mr Smith you want to call me an idiot is your choice. I'm a big boy too.

From what I've read and heard in commentaries the Latter Days are a bit too much. No coffee, carbonated drinks, no liqueur, no smoking just to name a few prohibitions makes me think that latter days are not much fun.

I personally can't imagine waking up to anything other than the smell of fresh brewed Cuban/ or Expresso coffee, I can't imagine going to the movies without a large container of Coke ( the liquid legal type) and popcorn. Sometimes I sneak a few bottles of rum pour it into the Coke to make a swell drink. As for drinking I can't imagine watching a Football or Baseball game without Pizza with X-tra cheese, and a six-pack of Bud. Or if I attend the game a few hot dogs with a large beer. Also a Cabernet Souvignon is a must at dinner, or a few margaritas with plenty of salt with shrimp and cocktail sauce.

Now let's get to the practice of "Some " latter days of polygamy. Personally I'm all for having pleanty of women at my disposal, but MARRYING them?? Anyone can tell you if you want to be nagged , and henpecked one wife will do.

Now comes the saints part. I was raised a Catholic and I heard alot about saint and holy ones. Well as I got older and read some accounts, many so call saint belong in the Looney Bin as opposed to an altar. So called saints as Origins who emasculated himself, or one Catherine I can't reall which one when she found a man attractive she poked her eyes out so she wouldn't feel desire. Then there's King David who was nothing but an egotistical cold-blooded killer more similar to Hitler than Christ. Most of the afore mentioned should have been in strait jacket receiving large dozes of lithium, and thorazine than at an altar.

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[–] markymarcum 17 years ago

Sorry lefty guns. As a member I know there is no rule that prohibits drinking carbonated drinks or caffeine for that matter.I enjoy eating and drinking the same things as you (bratwursts, hotdogs, extra buttery popcorn, pizza with extra cheese) minus coffee,liquor and smoking. As for polygamy you must not be anywhere near a mormon. Polygamy hasnt been practiced in the church since 1890. And when it was practiced only 2 percent were able to practice this ancient commandment. Polygamy is very misunderstood and exaggerated in our church.
marcum

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[–] dca8002 17 years ago

PLEASE...learn about something before you make comments about it, that's all I ask. Everyone accepts this super stereotypical and false truth about members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints but none of them are ever willing to actually learn who we are and why we choose to live the way we do.

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[–] hotaugustnight 17 years ago

dca8002 and Markymarcum: So what you are saying is that it is okay to drink hot and caffinated beverages and be a good member in standing in the LDS church? It is okay to drink alcohol, admit it to the bishop and get a temple recommend? It is acceptable to have premarital sex, have sexual relationships on a mission, and never pay tithing and still get a temple recommend? There is no more Words of Wisdom? It isn't still preached that man will have many wives in heaven? There isn't the old two standing in a field and only one will survive story? That faithful membership and pickles have something in common?

Have you told Hinckley about this?

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[–] geode 17 years ago

It isn't that we're not supposed to drink Coke or anything, it is just that those types of things can become addicting(the caffeine in Coke can get you hooked on it) and as long as this addiction does not occur the consumption of soda is okay. But when it does occur is the only time when it is not okay to drink or partake of these things.

The Word of Wisdom does not address addiction specifically, and there is no qualification that I am aware of in terms of whether of not Coke can be consumed depending upon a person's addiction to the caffeine within it. The Word of Wisdom does not mention this substance, nor coffee or tea for that matter. The last time I was up on the subject a bishop is not allowed to use a member's drinking of Coke in any evaluation of worthiness.

Oh Lord, you gave them eyes but they cannot see...

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[–] frssvet 17 years ago

I agree. On my mission I drank Coke in front of members and gave them a similar answer when challenged. I also pointed out that the reason for obeying the WoW was that it was a "principle with a promise". The benefits for obeying are spelled out in section 89. Keep the convenant, get the blessing- very simple.

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[–] geode 17 years ago

When I was a priest my bishop took the Priest's Quorum for an outing on a lake. He had a power boat and we could water ski, etc. A friend of mine was ragging on people why drank coke, but then mumbled into silence when another friend, the bishop's son, loaded a case of coke on the boat.

Oh Lord, you gave them eyes but they cannot see...

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[–] The_Dying_Flutchman 17 years ago

None of you ever used Van Smeerens?

Nothing is more beautiful than nothing.

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[–] hotaugustnight 17 years ago

Dude,

You don't know your own church.

Eschewing alcohol in any form and hot drinks are direct teachings of the church. Coffee is banned because it is fixed hot and has caffeine, as is tea. Therefore, traditionally, soda pop was to be avoided for the caffeine content. Most mormons nowdays can't live without pop and their 48 ounce tankards of it. Alcohol speaks for itself.

Oh, so now mormons can repent when they pull a bad. Must be the latter days of Mormon-lite religion and you can bet ol' Brigham Young is spinning in his grave! What no blood atonement? Good. Now I won't have to tell Catholics that mormons don't get confession.

You better do some digging into some of the tenets of the church regarding polygamy in heaven.

The pickle comment comes directly from the spring 2007 General Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Called, "The Pickle Parable", it was given by Elder Bednar. It tells of "The journey from cucumber to pickle..."

Weren't you there or watching? Bad little mormon! :-)

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[–] csstrowbridge 17 years ago

"4. Mormons DO NOT have horns surgically attached to their heads... I'm just tired of hearing about this one."

This has got to be a joke. No one seriously believes that, do they?

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[–] da_denominator 17 years ago

I'm a mormon who lives in the south, and I've had people ask me about the horns. Apparently that's popular here. I've also heard accounts of mormons bleeding blue. Maybe it's just in the bible belt that you get completely prepostorous stories like that.

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[–] csstrowbridge 17 years ago

Wow. That's sad / pathetic.

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[–] hotaugustnight 17 years ago

Nice attempt at saving face, Mix Tape, but we're on to ya.

Isn't it time for you to go scrapbook, bake bread, or babysit your parents' eleven other kids?

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[–] zen2878 17 years ago

Mix...its okay to stereotype mormons, just dont stereotype the christians. LOL. Also dont attempt to point anything negative about their religion its not fair. Also be sure not to say they reject Jesus Christ or have pagan influenced beliefs because only their side can point fingers.

But the funniest thing is here you are minding your own business, not even one post that you have said one thing negative about anyone and here is hotaug trying to slam you for no reason. That speaks volumes.

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[–] hotaugustnight 17 years ago

Why not? You stereotype yourself as a mormon. That gives others a license to do also.

Drop the label and the false rhetoric and be real.

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[–] hotaugustnight 17 years ago

Thanks for the spelling lesson. It 's nice to see some little mormon princess listens in class rather than dreaming about her temple wedding to her favorite RM.

It's because you choose to belong to a group called the mormon church that you naturally stereotype yourself to be included. Only you make those choices and until you choose not to conform to the mormon group will you no longer be willing to be stereotyped.

Your last comment was a great example of stereotyping yourself. See?

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[–] zen2878 17 years ago

Wow, so conforming is a bad thing now? Hmmm, I thought the savior asked us all to follow him and give up the world. That is the ultimate conforming. Once again hotaug shows the new christian belief being worldly and not giving up anything for our Savior. Hotaug condemns sacrifice of anykind to our Lord and Savior, whether personal or otherwise. Hotaug has also condemned marriage, another principle taught by the Bible. Hotaug also misunderstands that being a follower of Jesus Christ will bring persecution and that hotaug is in fact fulfilling prophecy that the saints will suffer persecution. Thanks Hotaug for once again showing your christian beliefs and how you have left following Jesus but now follow the wolves in sheeps clothing.

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[–] hotaugustnight 17 years ago

Your fundimentalist shorts are showing.

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[–] zen2878 17 years ago

Weak flame. Your running out of ammo I guess. Funny that only christians can wear things with symbolism. IE the cross, but us mormons better not. LOL. Your pride and arrogance are showing.

More importantly you have confirmed that you do in fact believe that being worldly is the way to go. So grab another bear, hit your wife, abuse your kids and smile because you are saved. Meanwhile us mormons will continue to try and conform our lives to living as Christ taught. Meek, humble, willing to feed the poor, helping others, giving service, sacrificing our money time and energy to help others and build God's Kingdom. But you wouldnt want to conform to anything the Lord asks of you.

When Jesus says feed the hungry hotaug says how boring, I am already saved and I dont need to do any work so why bother. Jesus I am already saved so dont ask me to do anything else. I am my own man.

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[–] hotaugustnight 17 years ago

Your fundamentalist shorts are showing.

Oh, and all mighty mormon, read Geode's post. Seems your not being a good example of your church teachings right now.

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[–] zen2878 17 years ago

Seems you are being a perfect example of christian teachings though. When you find something you dont agree with condemn, ridicule, harass, and occasionally murder and rape. You are indeed a good christian. Follower of Christ, no you missed that by a mile. Question, do you even believe in Jesus Christ or is that just one of your talking points to be able to label yourself a christian. I mean it seems pretty funny for someone who claims to be christian yet condemns things Christ taught. Like feeding the hungry.

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[–] hotaugustnight 17 years ago

Read Geode's post. It appears you're not being a good example of your own church teachings.

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[–] zen2878 17 years ago

How about your own church teachings. Oh I forgot, your church does teach you to condemn others and ridicule them. Look at all the anti books your faith publishes. Anti mormon, anti muslim, anti catholic, anti Jew...all I see is hate. You preach more hate than you do your own religion. Entire isles of christian bookstores are filled with hate books. Then you laughable say we really love you. Right, so convincing.

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[–] hotaugustnight 17 years ago

I don't belong to a church because I found that they tend to create people like you. Hate is all you see?

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[–] zen2878 17 years ago

Nice excuse. Go on and blame me for your lack of finding a faith. The fact is I think you have found one, but you find it easier saying you dont go as to deflect criticism. And all I did was take the crap you threw and sent it back at you. I guess from your perspective its okay to redicule others but how dare they return fire.

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[–] hotaugustnight 17 years ago

And hate is all you are dwelling in right now.

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[–] zen2878 17 years ago

And you are inocent? Give me a break. I am treating you like you have treating the mormons on this forum. Now you dont like it. A little taste of you own medicine. Fact is I can be civil, but why should I be civil with you when the past few days you have only tried to destroy what others choose to live and you have spoken with a deep hatred. Its very evident. I responded in kind, because I am sick of seeing filth toss crap at others w/o any regard to feelings or w/o willing to test their own faith on the same merits. If mormonism is wrong because of meadow mountains massacre than christianity is equally wrong due to the millions of people raped and killed under their leadership. The list can go on. But you just like to redicule mormons and continue to say they are brainwashed and dumb....more venom.

I will go visit your hate section of the christian bookstore so I can get more of your christian hate to take notes on. Oh so enjoyable to be around sooo much hate.

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[–] hotaugustnight 17 years ago

And so you feel the need to continue to dwell in hate. You need to prove hate is your friend and your sword of righteousness. You need to prove yourself and your beliefs superior to others and to control them. You and you alone have all the answers for everyone and everything! Only you know what is in the hearts and minds of others!

Oh man, you don't know from the true meaning of Zen...

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[–] geode 17 years ago

First of all it's rhetoric(sorry my biggest pet peeve is bad grammar).

Actually that was a spelling error that you are correcting. But allow me the privilege of pointing out a word that you apparently routinely mispell, but one that Joseph Smith got right in the correct version of the 11th Article of Faith.

I can handle sarcasm, I can handle criticism, but I cannot handle when people don't allow me the priviledge to worship who I want, what I want, or where I want.

In Article of Faith 11(if you don't know what these are ask) it says, "We claim the priviledge of worshipping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same priviledge, let them worship how, where, or what they may."

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0473700/board/thread/83237190?d=83393647&p=2#83393647

Oh Lord, you gave them eyes but they cannot see...

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[–] furymouse 17 years ago

Yes sometimes we suck at spelling. And in Utah mountain does not contain a t. English lessons aside, I am a mormon. Have been all my life. My mother became a mormon a long time ago when she was 18 ( sorry mom :)). I served a mission, and drank MT. Dew almost everyday while I was there. To clarify, the word of wisdom says nothing about caffeine, it only says " hot drinks are not for the body ". The reason we don't drink coffee or tea is not because of the caffeine content, but because there are plenty of other chemicals in them that aren't good for you. The funny thing is that people mostly focus on the don'ts: coffee, alcohol, tobacco, etc.. Where the word of wisdom actually tells you what you should eat, such as grains, vegetables, and all that good stuff.

It is not just a list of restrictions trying to stifle your fun, it's actually good common sense. When was the last time you heard of someone being a grainaholic? Maybe its just my cynical 22 year old mind, but I could never see the reason for drinking something that smelled like cat urine. ( Mt. Dew only LOOKS like cat urine, when it actually is quite tasty.)

Mormons are just normal people, trying to live out their faith in the way they believe is correct. Nobody is making you believe anything. Yes you may get some missionaries on your doorstep. If you don't want to listen don't. Its as simple as that.

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[–] hotaugustnight 17 years ago

Thanks for the post, Geode.

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[–] geode 17 years ago

...a word. A girlfriend finally asked when I would finish using the word "finnish" when I meant to mean that something was at an end. I may have been mispelling it for 20 years or more, but that was the end of my mistake. I never did tell a different girlfriend (who dumped me) that she always spelled "occasionally" as "occationally"...

Oh Lord, you gave them eyes but they cannot see...

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[–] hotaugustnight 17 years ago

Ah yes, sometimes that is showing love to allow others their unique mistakes.

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[–] andyredd 17 years ago

I certainly have no problem with Mormanism. Just don't try to pass it off as just another branch of Christianity. It simply is not. If you believe it is, just try reading the Bible...and not the Morman Bible.

Reddy

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[–] cobysteen 17 years ago

Mormans (LDS people) use the bible and the book of Morman together key word being together to prove each others truths and the truth of Christ!

lets simplify this

the bible is basically a journal of people in the Jerusalem area that are prophets of god

the book of Morman is a journal of people on which is now known as the American continent that are prophets of god

they both teach the same thing just different areas of the world at the same time

when Jesus left Jerusalem after the resurrection he said he was to visit other people not of this fold he then went to the Americas to testify of his resurrection

so is not believing in Jesus Christ being Christian or do you worship your bible A book instead of Christ!

i think that is as simple as i can put it

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[–] cherylclair 17 years ago

Don't think the Bible teaches that when you die, you'll have your own planet to exist on.( Well how lonely would that be?) I also don't remember reading that living people should be baptized over and over for the soul of someone who died hundreds of years ago. Or if your spouse dies, you can never remarry. How does that explain Ruth and Boaz? In Biblical times, if a woman's husband died, a male member of his family was expected to marry her and take care of her. Then of course we get Henry VIII and the Roman Catholic church saying it is a sin for a man to marry his brother's widow. I'll stick with what the Bible actually says, thank you very much.

Oh Jerry,don't lets ask for the moon,we have the stars.

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[–] geode 15 years ago

I was appalled to discover that many of the "prophets" of Mormonism had made pronouncements that were later overturned by other "prophets." Joseph Smith had made quite a few pronouncements that didn't come true or are no longer considered true.

When making a statement such as this it would be nice to include some examples. Yes, Smith made claims that have been proven as not being th case....men on the moon, etc. But what "prophecy" of Smith was over-turned by later "prophets" with the possible except of polygamy ? Even with polygamy it is not that straight-forward.

The whole polygamy doctrine is now repudiated officially by the LDS. That's one of the basic tenets on which the religion was founded. If they could abandon that as false, the whole thing would crumble -- if one is to believe those verses in Deuteronomy. And if one isn't, then why believe anything in the Bible?

Ah, but you ignored the fine print. The Mormon church did not repudiate plural marriage, they simply said that they were no longer practicing it in places where it was illegal. They later added that it was the will of God that it no longer be practiced. They still teach that it was a valid concept in some times in the past, and could be again. They still believe in such marriages in eternity.

And in re-reading this, I just noticed God's pronouncement against any prophet who presumed to speak in the name of other gods. Mormonism doesn't believe in one God -- it believes Christ is a separate god. Its prophets presume to speak in the name of that separate god. That's clearly against God's will.

Personally I find the concept of The Trinity and the Mormon Godhead to be equally polytheistic so your pronouncement would make Christian sects other than Mormons against God's will.

Oh Lord, you gave them eyes but they cannot see...

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[–] jcaranda2002 17 years ago

Ummm, yeah, I have a few things to add.
8. Mormons do not make their own butter, or any other dairy substances
9. Mormons do not worship Joseph Smith, Mormon, or any other prophet. They don't pray to their saints, just God.
10. Mormons DO watch TV, dance, go to parties, and listen to mainstream music.
11. Mormons do not just live in Utah. I live in the S.F. Bay Area and attend a congregation larger than many I've seen in Utah.

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