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Marvel's success may eventually led to it's down fall.


Think about it, whenever a company has success after success and then get over confident in their success and make that faithful mistake and hires a new up and coming director, one the could rival Zack Snyder in being a creative failure or cast a new up and coming actor or they cast an actor who has a lot of Fame behind their name...the X-Men franchie kind of went down that road after Bryan Singer left and a new director took the reigns and made some questionable casting choices, particularly with Jennifer Lawrence and Sophie Turner, oh and let's not forget how Disney is practically butchering it's classic original movie with these laughable live action remakes with only a small handful being decent.... Jungle Book was pretty good but for the most part these remakes are just a desperate and lazy attempt to milk their classics for all it's worth instead of taking time and care to create new and original movies.


DC on the other hand is following the opposite track in making mistakes and learning from them, and that's how you get better by learning from your mistakes....so don't be surprised if Marvel wines up making that one little mistake in hiring the wrong director or cast the wrong actor that plunges the franchie into a downward spiral especially with the Avengers saga wrapping up.

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There may be yet another disadvantage that Marvel may have against DC, and that may come when Disney attempts to reboot the X-Men franchise, I mean historically speaking most rebooted franchises have fall flat on their face ex...Men in Black, Fantastic Four, The Mummy(2017),Ghostbusters, The Amazing Spider-Man 1&2, and now it looks like the Hellboy reboot is going to fall flat on it's ass....the only franchise that sort of contradicts this is Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy.

You see fans of a successful franchise become accustom to the same actor playing the same iconic role and don't really take well to new actors taking mantel of iconic roles that other actors have established first, and the best example of this would have to be Hugh Jackman's Wolverine....with him reprising his role as Wolverine in 7 films and making 2 cameos, no other character has been done to death by one actor with Robert Englund's Freddy Krueger in at very close second...that was Fox's fatal flaw, by over killing it with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine fan of the X-Men franchise have become so accustom to his Wolverine character that they most likely won't be interested in anyone else taking the role, and now that Hugh Jackman looks like he may be hanging up the claws for good, the X-Men reboot as a whole may suffer.

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The Men In Black reboot has yet to be released in theaters so I'm wondering how you can say that reboot was a failure.

You also seem to forget that the MCU rebooted Spider-Man with positive results.

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Its not that the DCEU sucks. Its that Warner Bros DC is in the same situation that Sony Marvel and Fox Marvel used to be in. Its hit or miss. The MCU has the advantage of Kevin Feige who is the ultimate connection between audiences and CB source material. Amy Pascal at Sony recognized it and cut a deal and now Spider-Man is doing as well as its heyday of 2004. Fox Marvel wasn't cutting those deals and so their only way to rival the MCU was with grittier R-rated CBMs. They do well critically but they couldn't make all of their Marvel movies R rated because it would reduce their younger audiences. It was a weird situation to be in but now its in the hands of Feige and the MCU on what to keep and what to reboot. I can tell you right now as interested as I am in seeing Kinberg's Dark Phoenix its nothing compared to how much more I'd like to see the MCU's Dark Phoenix years down the road with all those character being built from scratch. When Feige and the MCU get their hands on X-Men its gonna be fireworks.

Also.. all the recasting stuff you brought up applies even more to WB's DC. They've already recast Batman again and will soon be recasting Superman who wouldn't even show his face in Shazam. New actors will be required to fill the same exact role established by other actors. When the X-Men join the MCU they will be completely new roles. And best of all they'll be interacting with all of Marvel's characters.

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Dear god.....The Level of Anger and Shame that one must be feeling to actually make this post is astonishing....


lol The absolute best you can come up with is....."Ok so I realize I cant say anything bad about Marvel because Its having unprecedented success, but you just wait, ummmmmm That success could be its downfall"

You know, I might somewhat understand a desperate,shameful post like this maybe after the 5th or 6th straight successful MCU film....I could understand you feeling desperate enough to try and suggest "This cant last, The Downfall is coming"

But after 21 straight Success MCU films.....I'm sorry, Its officially safe to say "if your waiting for the Downfall"....Your just living in a fantasy world

whats so stunning, Is somehow, I think you actually just tried to come up with a way to claim DC is currently in a better state than Marvel Studios...

I know you are desperate and Jealous....but I must admit, This goes way passed anything you've done before

You are clearly living in a delusional reality

you are actually trying to come up with a way that DC, Despite making 4 of 7 Universally hated films, where They've had to hire and fire Numerous People to run The DCEU Branch, where they've LITERALLY had to abandon all intentions of Making thier Own movies, and Literally HIRE Former MCU directors to come in to try and fix and copy Marvel studios with thier DC films and Where Nearly Every single part of the DC is failed and is being rebooted including

Affleck out as Batman
Cavil out as Superman
Will Smith out as Deadshot
Leto out as The Joker
Suicide Squad 2 being completely rebooted
Batman completely rebooted
Superman Movies DEADS because WB wants no part of Cavil
WW2 intentionally written as a solo film and in the past to distance itself from The FAILED JL

you are actually trying to say THIS ^^ is better than............ 21 for 21, 18 Billion +, The highest Grossing Movies franchise of all time, 7 MCU films topping 1 Billion +, The first ever and ONLY 2 Billion + CBM

this not an exaggeration....

NOT even 1 single Person at WB would agree with you....

WB the company that makes these films and wants more than anything for the to be successful.....Would literally read this post and go "Shit, DC fans are Delusional...I get wanting our films to do good, But dear god how could anyone look at the state of our films and the state of The MCU films and actually Delusionally believe we are in a better position going forward"

Lady....

do you know WB Made a combined 85 Million dollars in Profit for MOS,BvS and JL ...

WB spend almost 1 Billion dollars making these 3 films and It netted them LESS than 100 Million....

for example do you know Marvel Studios WEAKEST FILM....ANT-MAN 1 Made More Profit ALONE than all 3 of DC's Biggest Possible movies Combined...AM1 netted Disney over 100 Million In Profit...

do you know that Disney has made Over 300 Million dollars in Profit on 8 MCU films and at least 100 Million dollars profit on Every MCU film...

Do you Know that Marvel Studios has Made more profit with JUST 2 MCU films than all 7 of DCEU films combined...

I guess its your right to delusionally believe 4 out 7 Universally hated films that made very little Profit that resulted in almost every major actor being recast and many of the movies rebooted is somehow better than 21 for 21 and 18 Billion + .....but just know, Theres not 1 fact you can point to back up that delusionally opinion...

You literally have to Ignore every piece of data to believe it...theres not 1 piece of data you can point to that would even remotely suggest DC is in a better place going forward than Marvel Studios...

This thread and this opinion of yours is truly nothing but A Desperate,Angry,Jealousy and Shameful response to the frustration you feel watching Marvel Studios continuously beat DC...

PS...I saved the best for last...I find this thread truly Great and Smiled when I saw it becauseIts almost Like You were destined to Fail....You made this thread just a day after An article of Posted Where EXPERTS LITERALLY say "Yes Marvel Studios Success is Going to continue for another Decade"


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I literally chuckled out loud when I saw this post....Your entire argument comes down to "This kind of success cant continue"

you may not realize it when you made this thread, but you were giving Marvel Studios the Ultimate Compliment....You are recognizing that The Level Of Success Marvel Studios is having Is Unprecedented and believe it cant continue...

Hilarious though, again, this would have made more sense after maybe 5th or 6th MCU film....but after 21 straight, Its clear, Theres no downfall coming, when you make that many great and successful films in a row Its because you have the right people in charge and know what your are doing...

heres the article, That explains just that...Heres an article where EXPERTS directly disagreeing with you and this thread, where They Literally have NO DOUBT Marvel Studios is gonna dominate for another decade...

ONLY you could Make a thread this delusional, where you claim "Marvel Studios is too successful, It cant last"....and hilariously make the thread 1 day after a article is posted where EXPERTS claiming the exact opposite

**Worth Noting when I say Experts....The article notes Business Insider talked to box-office, media, and comic-book experts.

basically, I'm sorry Box Office Analysts, Business Insider, Major Media and Comic Book Experts ALL Disagree with you...Basically Everyone who UNDERSTANDS Hollywood, directly Disagree with you Lady!

Easy ALL TIME FAIL Here

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/marvel-cinematic-universe-after-avengers-endgame-details-analysis-2019-3-1028089688

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Think about it, whenever a company has success after success and then get over confident in their success and make that faithful mistake and hires a new up and coming director, one the could rival Zack Snyder in being a creative failure or cast a new up and coming actor or they cast an actor who has a lot of Fame behind their name

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also theres 1 HUGE problem with this Delusional Theory of yours....

lol

no seriously I'm laughing out loud as I'm typing this....

it seems your almost hopefully suggesting Marvel Studios could miscast the wrong director and that director could cause as much damage as Snyder did with The DCEU.

still Laughing...

But lets just KILL that HOPE right Now...its impossible....the reason why its impossible is...Marvel Studios would never give that "Miscast" director a 2nd and then 3rd Chance to continue Damaging Their brand and Iconic Characters like WB did with Snyder...

lol Is it possible Marvel Studios is going to at some point pick a bad director....IMO Is a certainty...Every Major studio makes mistakes...Marvel Studios will at some point produce a flop or pick a bad director....The difference is and the reason why This thread and Your Snyder theory is IMPOSSIBLE is...Marvel Studios would never make the same mistake a 2nd and then 3rd straight time....If lets say The new Black Widow Movies Bombs and its universally reported The Director clashed with Marvel Studios and He was not right for the job....You can guaranteed Marvel Studios Isnt then Going to bring him back to direct a bigger movie and Then Bring that Director back for a 3rd time to direct an Avengers movies...

I'm sorry but theres no way a "Snyder level Disaster" can ever happen at Marvel Studios, In fact I dont think A "Snyder level Disaster" will ever happen again...I see no Studio OTHER than WB giving a director 3 opportunity To damage and Ruin characters and a universe

lol I get that you let your emotions get the best of you lady, but you really need to think before posting Lady

You cant HOPE a Snyder level Disaster into existence for Marvel Studios....

its just not possible, no Studio is that Incompetent except WB and WBs not even that inept anymore....

A Snyder level Disaster could never take place at Marvel Studios because you would need A Direct to RUIN 3 straight films....

The kind of Downfall you are hoping for, cant just happen with 1 bad film....

If Marvel Studios is ever going to fall or start having LESS Success, Its going to have to LOSE the trust of its Audience, and 1 Bad film out of 25 Isnt going to do that....

Marvel Studios would need to make 3 or 4 awful films in a row....and I'm sorry thats just not gonna happen and its certainly not going to happen with 1 director making 3 bad films in a row...

I know you didnt think too much when you made this thread, Its clear, You were just upset and jealous and wanted to say something to make yourself feel better...

but you honestly just Posted a "Hypothetically, what IF theory" thats IMPOSSIBLE...

You should have taken just a moment to think, To ask yourself, Is it really even possible for Marvel Studios to have a "Snyder level Disaster"....had you thought about this, you might have realized, Marvel Studios, would never allow the same "Bad Choice" director to have a 2nd and 3rd chance to damage and ruin thier most ICONIC characters and movies...

to have a "Snyder level Disaster"....That "Wrong Choice" director simply could not damage the characters or movie enough in 1 film....to truly have a "Snyder level Disaster" like your hoping, Marvel Studios would have to Let This "Wrong Director" come back for a 2nd and 3rd time to RUIN The characters and movies...

I'm sorry but in this case....DC's Mistake With Snyder is so Horrific and So Astonishing...It just cant be duplicated...

Its not Possible for Marvel Studios to have a "Snyder level Disaster".....again Its truly astonishing it even took place at WB....You cant Wish something This Impossible into Existence

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