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What was plan A after the subway explosion?


Simon needed that explosion.
So wouldn't McLane be dead after that?
We see his plan B in action, if McLane doesn't die in that blast.

What was plan A?
Was there still the wild goose chase with quizzes?
Who would be jumping through its loops?

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McClane and Zeus explain it:

"What are the odds of us making it down here on time?"

"Zip."

Simon doesn't think McClane would near the explosion.

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Yeah well, there is still a chance. Simon does make the phone call.

Same deal later: who goes to the stadium if they cant fill 4 gallons?
That's not that easy a quiz. What if McLane fails?

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Simon makes the phone call to train station has a really simple answer: He's on top of the building near train station, he saw Zeus run to the station.

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Yes, but it was still part of his plan. He prepared for it, it's not like he improvised that phone call.
So, he had 2 plans.
My question is, how was his plan going to work after blasting McLane.

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What? He "prepared" that phone call? He isn't "improvised"?

What make you think that phone call is so hard, it can't be"improvised", must "prepared"?

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How about having to know the phone number? Or did he improvise that too?

Unless you are thick, you will understand that Simon had 2 plans PREPARED.

Not to mention, even in your mistaken version, what was h looking at the station entrance 5 minutes before the train for?
If he was not expecting them, what was he lookin at?

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1. Simon plans to use the station to robs the bank, he has to study the entire station, like structure, how hard can it be: I study the entire station, maybe I should check the phone number?

2. He doesn't need to look at the station, Zeus drives like crazy, there will be rumbling.

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So in my version, Simon, a super meticulous criminal genius about to steal 140 billions from US treasury reserve, also planned for the possibility that 1) McLane is very obedient and quick, so gets blown, or 2) McLane dies driving, or gets shot in Harlem, etc.

In your version Simon is too lazy to even think that's possible, so he has one plan only that depends on McLane but he's lucky enough that, no matter the series of dangerous tasks he has created for him, McLane doesn't die/is injured before the stadium.

Guess which version sounds better?

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Your (1) is "zip." I already said it.

Your (2) McClane wouldn't gets shot in Harlem, he brought a gun, Simon is very obvious want him to use force to kills some people.

I will give you "dies driving."

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Yeah. You'd have to wonder if that bomb in the park was still there in the scenario of John and Zeus going straight to the Train Station and getting blown up by the bomb. Or if the portable sports game with the note on it is still on the seat at Yankee Stadium.

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Yeah, it seems like a LOT of planning just to fuck around.

And wouldn't the police be suspicious about Simon's motives and real intentions if the bomb in the school is still a running threat after McLane is blown in the subway?
Wouldn't they think right away "this guy is just bullshitting us. There's nothing we can do to stop his bombing by appeasing him".

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Toying with and killing McClane was just a ‘little bonus’ for Simon, it served as a distraction to his theft but wasn’t essential.

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