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Oh good Lord Jesus Christ does this movie suck.


Let me count the ways.

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Yes - this is perhaps the crappiest film ever made. The only reason I actually love the original Karate Kid is not because it is literally great, but because I watched it a zillion times when it first came out - it is part of my DNA, but #4 is a piece of gutter trash bantha fodder butt lickin boot. Catch

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no one who has not witnessed wim wenders "until the end of the world" truly knows how badly a movie can suck.
jesus, it really, really sucks.
alot.
i mean it.


there's no karate or anything. it just stinks. worse than KK4.
seriously.
it's THAT bad.





"i don't hate people. i just seem to feel better when they're not around" -Henry Chinaski

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Well noted Squelchy - thanks for reminding me...

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>>Yes - this is perhaps the crappiest film ever made.<<

Agreed. It's #1 on my list of worst movies ever on YMDB. I enjoyed the first three quite a bit even if they were nothing spectacular (and I want a damned 20th anniversary DVD of the first one), but this sequel just took a dump all over the franchise.

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I've seen the first two only - after those two childish movies, I wouldn't waste my time on any more.

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Karate Kid 1, 2 and 3 are good films, even by today's standards. But they really shouldn't have made The Next Karate Kid. This really was one big disapointment. Well the hell did they make this? Obviously, they only made it because they knew it'd make good money. Pat Morita should be ashamed of himself for making this horrible sequel. Surely he must've known that this ruined the original trilogy, which is why he probably has no career now (or at least a good one). And Hilary Swank is no match for Ralph Macchio. I figure if they were going to make a 4th Karate Kid, they should've made it about Daniel and Miyagi, not the annoying Julie! Oh well. At least I still have the fond memories of the originals and try to forgot this horrible sequel.

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This movie also had the worst fight choreography I'd ever seen(well better than Kickboxing Academy). The first three films had the best, because they very realistic and were shot right. This film's fights were cheesy and shot horribly.

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Same choreographer, different director.

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Pat Morita should be ashamed of himself for making this horrible sequel. Surely he must've known that this ruined the original trilogy, which is why he probably has no career now (or at least a good one).

Consider that he was one of the last in the long line of "Asian actors just trying to make a paycheck" that infected the '80s (Gedde Watanabe is another who comes to mind), so as far as he was concerned, he was just trying to earn an income. I never really watched "Happy Days" enough to be familiar with Arnold, but I see clips of them now and think "what the hell?!" No self-respecting Asian actor would take that kind of a role today.

(and now that I think about it, maybe that was the key phrase: "self-respect")

And now, some general commentary directed at no one in particular...

Being of Japanese descent, I never had a whole lot of role models on TV and movies apart from the caricatures played by Morita and other Asian actors taking whatever roles they were offered without question or complaint. So of course, as a kid, I thought it was part of my bloodline to learn martial arts from my father, and wondered why the hell my dad was a manager of a high-class restaurant instead of a ninja. I think I'd suspected that he actually was a ninja in secret because he always worked nights... :)

Now, at 31 and way more jaded about the '80s than I probably should be, I've lost all respect for most Asian actors who made their mark in the '80s because they had no shame. Sure, it may have been a choice of "play this simpering stereotype or starve," but not being neck-deep in the movie business at that time, I have the luxury of saying that.

Asian-Americans bristle at the word "Oriental" because to us, it's an antiquated term brimming with stereotype and prejudice. It's like calling an African-American person a "negro": Technically not a Bad Word like the n-word, but most people wouldn't feel comfortable using it in everyday conversation -- and it's probably only a matter of time before "negro" gets banished in similar fashion. "Oriental" is what describes the spineless "ah so solly" characters of the '80s movies and TV shows -- the kind perpetuated by actors like Morita, Watanabe, and that guy from "Police Academy 3" who were more concerned with the paycheck and the SAG credits.

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It is the people who will take whatever role they are offered that start to break down the bounderies of racism in Hollywood. In "Gone With the Wind" Hattie McDaniel played yet another "yess'a ma'am" black servent. Then she became the first black woman to win an Oscar. Without the Hattie McDaniels, the Butterfly McQueens, the Step-n-Fetchits, there would be no Denzel Washingtons, Sidney Poitiers, Oprah Winfreys.

Without Asian actors like Pat Morita or Gedde Wattanabe taking these 'quote' "Oh so solly" roles, actors like Jet Li or Chow Yun Fat wouldn't be finding RESPECT in mainstream Hollywood today...and they don't bow to anyone, serve rice, or sound like Charlie Chan. There's a long way to go for Asian actors in Hollywood, but little by little the walls are being chipped away. Don't be angry at them, be proud that they started blazing a trail...it makes it easier for others to follow.

Don't look at them as having no shame; it takes humility to play the fool so that others can someday play the king.

BAD KITTY...
>^..^< MEOW

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I know this is a really old post, but I have to comment on it.

Just FYI, I've lived around the USA and have had friends from literally almost every nation and/or culture possible... including a lot of friends from Japan, Korea, China, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam.

So when I say what I'm about to say to your comment, please understand it is not being said out of prejudice at all...

"Asian-Americans bristle at the word "Oriental" because to us, it's an antiquated term brimming with stereotype and prejudice."

You couldn't be more incorrect if you were trying to be...

"Oriental" is simply a word of Latin origins that means "easterner"... and in that usage it does ideally describe those who Political Correctness now demands that we refer to as "Asians".

What I want to know is, what the hell are we supposed to call all of those other people from Asia who don't fit into the well understood usage of the older term "Oriental"???

Really... how do I refer to somebody who's not from Japan/China/Korea/Southeast Asia? In the past, the term Asian was a good catch-all and could fit the bill - now however we can't use that as it's been stolen by those who used to be referred to as "Oriental".

Clearly... being called "Easterner" is not a bad thing; after all, the word isn't "bad"... the racist *beep* who treated "Orientals" as lesser humans WERE... you may want to realize that, and not continue to bitch and moan about racist idiots who are LONG DEAD!

I really do think the terms "Orient/Oriental" should go back into common usage to describe collectively some friend(s) you know whose actual nation of origin you haven't bothered to ask yet... After all, the worst thing one can do is to accidentally refer to a Korean as Japanese or vice versa. You will piss them off TERRIBLY, even if completely on accident.

Asia's a hell of a lot more than just the "Oriental" nations you know... it's literally just as big of a boner as if somebody tried to use the term "American" to describe a white person, and to assume you should know they are referring to a white person and not any of the other many people who come from America.

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THe Karate Kid was one of my favourite movies as a teenager. Loved the storyline, the geek beats bully etc etc.

I have no idea what possessed any one to make thie movie however. It truly stunk.

So much so that I sort of wish that Ralph got beaten to a pulp in the original or died or anything or Mr M died somewhere.. It may have stopped the opening for this to have been made.

Thats how bad it was

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I'll agree with the others on this one that this is one of the biggest pieces of trash ever and it really tarnishes a somewhat respectable triolgoy.

The first three films were very watchable and fun flicks. No clue what they were thinking releasing this disgrace.

I haven't heard from Pat Morita since.

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Amen!

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I went to see this movie because liked the other 3 this one was big mistake
well they did not make much money on this one about 8 million, heard some rumor
there thinking of making a 5th one if they do it cant be any worse than 4th one
bob

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Everyone associated with this film should simply be executed. Pat Morita lowered himself and lost all respect by allowing himself to be prostituted in this pathetic piece of trash. I spit on everyone in this film and if I knew when and where they were filming this film, I would have gone into the parking lot and drop dung on their cars.

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I agree. im spitting on everyone, Hilary swank, spit and everyone, spit spit and a hundred more spits!except mr miyagi

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My most hated movie of all time. Took a huge crap on an enjoyable franchise that was perfectly fine if stopped after part 3.

It's not just bad because "it's a girl," it's just really nothing like the previous movies other than the fact that Miyagi is teaching someone karate. Having him living with the goofy monks was so out of place and stupid, and while Daniel beating an opponent one-on-one in a fight at the end of each of the first three films was fairly believeable, the end of this film where she is able to beat the crap out of some trained killer-solider guy (while his friends just WATCH no less) is nonsense.

Someone please build a time machine, go back, and burn the original print of this movie before it ever sees the light of day.

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The Miyagi character was practically destroyed in this film. He was way too vocal and was a complete pushover with that Julie-san bitch. And I must agree the goofy monks were out of place. I think they were a sad excuse for comedy relief.

The bad guys, the Hall Monitor Elite, were pretty pathetic. They made Dugan (the main villian) look like a complete pussy early on, letting Mcgowen get a good shot in on him. Plus throughout most of the film they did little to nothing to make you hate them. Sure the one member (the hispanic looking one) threatens Julie about going on a date by the docks or whatever, but the whole "breaking into the school at night to visit a stupid bird" was her own fault. The HME were just protecting the school they love. By the time the hispanic guy starts smashing out Mcgowen's car window's you have already lost interest in those tools. (BTW, don't even get me started on the formal dance bungie jumping scene.)

And the ending- If I remember correctly, when Julie gives the hispanic guy a finishing kick to the face (which is in slow motion) doesn't she completely miss? What a great way to finish an already crummy movie!

Overall a bad movie, but not the worst.

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Overall a bad movie, but not the worst.--Buzdahatesyou

True, as bad as it is, this is only the second worst movie of the franchise. #III sucked big donkey d**k! Macchio was truly horrible in that flick. Odd, since he was so good playing the same character previously. What was with all the crying, whining and over-acting? He didn't play one scene with any subtlety at all. Just horrendous.

'Next', as bad as it was, just seemed incredibly stupid. What exactly was Ironside's character supposed to be, anyway? He sure wasn't a teacher. So why was he allowed to have his own Hitler youth auxiliary in the school? Dumb, just dumb.

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Oh yes, this movie is soooooo much worse that the Karate Kid movies, I mean, those movies were just *beep* brilliant from the word go and had no cliche ridden story-lines and crap acting and complete cheeseball storytelling. I don't know why anybody would say those things. And Ralph Macchio is so much hotter than Hilary Swank, it's not even funny. You can tell because Ralph's had such a kick ass career after his movies and Hilary Swank's career is just in the toilet. I mean, really, where is she now?

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I never liked this!!! The fact Daniel is not in this
makes me not watch it...

Should have ended at Part 3!!



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I liked this. It may have something to do with the fact that I watched this one 1st, but still, I loved it.

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You can tell because Ralph's had such a kick ass career after his movies and Hilary Swank's career is just in the toilet. I mean, really, where is she now?

This post is funny in hindsight. Ralph Macchio is currently starring in, and co-producing, a hit show (Cobra Kai) and Hilary Swank hasn't done anything notable since Million Dollar Baby (2004, a year before the 14-year-old post I'm replying to). There's even a video on YouTube titled: "The Real Reason Why Hollywood Dropped Hilary Swank":

https://youtu.be/jCpOKzrbhqU

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Watch your blasphemy, koeago!!

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Racist! Why do you hate women in a starring role? This was a fabulous film. The female empowerment shown was amazing

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So, I’m confused. Who are you calling racist, what is racist here?

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The OP seems to prefer the original because the star is a male lead rather than a female lead

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That could be called sexism, but it’s not racist.
Whatever.

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Yup, the OP is a sexist racist. I bet he also hates Star Wars episodes 7 thru 9 because the lead character is also a female

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Do you know this person, or can you tell all that from a single brief post from 17 years ago?

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I know his type. A sexist racist. The OP has to be a white person. Black Lives Matter

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