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He ain't no carpenter - Oh!


I've always liked this scene but I just now realize they're saying Little Bill is the devil. Jesus is the carpenter. And if Little Bill is good at so many things but god awful at carpentry, than he must, being the antagonist of this story, be the devil himself. There's a whole entire scene in the middle of this movie drawing attention to exactly this. This is what they meant. There can be no doubt. I believe. I always thought it was just a cute bit of fleshing out these men as real world people but I think it's more than that.

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I don't think it had anything at all to do with the devil or Jesus.

Little Bill was the antagonist in this film simply and only because we saw the story through William Munny's perspective, a man by the way who was a killer of women and children.

Little Bill was not evil. He was hired to keep law and order in Big Whiskey and to keep hired assassins from carrying out murder for hire. Quick Mike (particularly) and Davey deserved to be punished more than they actually were, but they would not deserve a death sentence anywhere in America or the territories at any time then or now. Ned was killed by Little Bill in an over the top torture to extract information on the kid and Munny, but even if not killed by Little Bill in the jail, Ned and the others would have been executed anyway because they did manage to kill the two cowboys in a murder for hire scheme.

If this story was viewed from Little Bill's perspective however, then we would have cheered him on as he attempted to prevent the hired assassins from killing two men who didn't deserve to die, just as we sort of cheered on Munny's revenge of Ned's death on Little Bill and the innocent deputies.

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Oh i'm Team Bill, make no mistake. I'm Team Devil in the bible too. Evil is just. The anarchist give evil a bad name. Lawful Evil thank you. No Chaoitc Evil Jokers welcome here. You need rules.

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You're team devil, eh? What do you think is going to happen to you when you die?

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Didnt little bill take the law into his own hands when he started being judge and jury and handing out donkey-as-a-compensation sentences?

Even Sherrifs dont have that sort of authority , like Judge Dread , do they?

Say the guy had killed the whore , would Little Bill have the authority to say "Hey just give Skinny a donkey and we'll call it even"

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Didnt little bill take the law into his own hands when he started being judge and jury and handing out donkey-as-a-compensation sentences? Even Sherrifs dont have that sort of authority , like Judge Dread , do they?


Yes, but the law *was* in his hands to take. Remember, this was Wyoming 1881 when Wyoming was a territory, not a state. There was no Constitutional protection for anyone in Wyoming at that time. Law and order was not all that organized or even-handed necessarily.

And let's not forget that Little Bill was the law and was within his power to settle "disputes" and hand out sentences in his best judgement. There might have been a federal judge assigned to Wyoming by the U.S. government, but it's likely the federal judge would have backed up Little Bill anyway.

Say the guy had killed the whore , would Little Bill have the authority to say "Hey just give Skinny a donkey and we'll call it even"


But Quick Mike didn't kill the whore, he just disfigured her. Would Little Bill have the authority though to settle with just a donkey if QM did kill Delilah? I don't know, but even if he did just disfigure her, Delilah might have had the option of contacting the federal judge assigned to the territory (assuming there was one) and asking for justice. The fact the whores raised hit man money leads me to believe that even a federal judge assigned to the Wyoming territory wouldn't have backed them, but backed Sheriff Little Bill.

But, I don't think Little Bill would have settled for just a fine for Quick Mike if he killed Delilah - Little Bill might have hanged Quick Mike for that for all we know. If Little Bill's justice was outside of the town folk's mores, then they would replace him with someone else. It seemed thought that the townsfolk (other than the whores over this particular incident) and deputies were happy with Little Bill being sheriff.

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were you high when you came up with that?

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