Ummm is Colonel Jessup really able to answer that question? I feel like Kevin Bacon should have objected to that question. I mean Kaffee could have rephrased it as “At the time did you feel you had any reason to believe that Lt. Kendrick would have ignored the order” that would have been different but that’s not what he said.
shareIt's just a movie. It doesn't claim to be a representation of fact, or a historical event. I can tell you one thing - there isn't a chance in hell a junior grade LT. like Daniel Kaffee would have risked his career and future over two Marine privates. What he would have really done is plead them out to his best ability, and then quickly walk away.
shareRight I’m just saying though it seems like Bacon should have objected to that question because Jessup could not reasonably provide anything other than speculation to that.
I think Kaffee wanted to wipe the smug smile off of Jessup’s face and hated what a prick he was. But yes in actuality no one would ever risk their entire career for two marines who still did the wrong thing. I also find it hard to believe that someone accused of murder would turn down “2 years, you are home in six months”.
IF we are talking real world - Kevin Bacon would have objected to the entire line of questioning. Yeah, but going back to it just being a movie - I thought Kaffee had two motivations - he didn't like Jessup on a personal level, and he wanted to please Demi Moore's character (forgot her name). As far as walking on the six months - possibly. I was in the Army for four years and spent a lot of time around Marines. Marines are an exceptional breed. Really hard core. Plus when you consider where those two particular Marines were stationed (Guantanamo Bay) - I mean these guys were really hard core. In real life, two such Marines may also have passed.
share"What he would have really done is plead them out to his best ability, and then quickly walk away".
Remember that he was practically begging his clients to take the deal (6 months out of a 2 year sentence). But Corporal Downey vehemently refused. Citing that they did nothing wrong.
Yeah, he did that in the movie - I was talking real world. In the real world, Kaffee would have quickly taken the 12 years that Kevin Bacon's character offered. Then he'd have walked away. He wouldn't have pushed any further.
In the movie, that's right, Daniel tries to get Dawson and Downey to take the two years (probably home in 6 months) deal. IN real life, it never would have went that far.
However, also in real life, because I've been around real Marines - I know how tough those guys are. It would not surprise me, again, even in reality, if real Marines would turn down that two year / home in 6 months deal.
Not sure what your confusion is. In the real world, Kaffee absolutely would NOT have "taken the 12 years." It's Not Up To Him.
Consider: If D&D rejected the 6 months, do you really think they would've accepted 12 years?
That's not how it works. The decision is *theirs.* Also: recall that he *did* intend to walk away, if they didn't take a deal. Demi Moore shamed him into staying.
There is no confusion whatsoever. In the real world, Daniel Kaffee would not have risked his career for two Marines he could have cared less about. He would have accepted KB's 12 year offer. He would not have tried to negotiate it. He'd have brought the 12 year offer to D and D. If they said no, Daniel would have said "FIne, it's up to you." Then he would have started the process of removing himself from the case.
Now, if you think Kaffee would have kept fighting for those two, in reality, you're sadly misinformed. Do you think Daniel Kaffee, a guy that could care less about the military, is going to risk messing up his own career by fighting for a couple of low ranking Marines? Not a chance.
Ok? Now yes, in the movie, D and D reject the 6 month offer, and yes, in the movie, Demi Moore plays Daniel to get him to keep fighting. In reality, it never would have went that far.
Fascinating to watch you Completely Miss The Point. Wow.
You're absolutely confused. Your talk about "the real world" cleanly misses the point; but rather than go on about narrative choices and how fiction works, let's just look (very simply) at the sequence.
Kaffee is assigned the case. Because he's KNOWN to plead things out (shrewdly). He's offered 12 years; because of How it's offered and who he is, he assumes there's a better deal to be had. He looks into the case, and is proven right. The better deal is then offered to his clients; who turn it down. He threatens to walk away, but Demi guilts him into staying. THAT IS ALL. No idea why you keep talking about what "Kaffee would do in reality". . .this story TELLS us what he would do "in reality." At length.
You also completely misunderstand who Kaffee is, because the movie makes sure to explain that NO. . .he wouldn't act precipitously. Just the opposite, in fact: this is the reason for the scene where the prosecutor has to track him down at the softball field.
You seem to be trying to apply your conception of what another lawyer would do in similar circumstances "in the real world." Which, again: misses the point, and also manages to be Completely Wrong. Shrug. You're just wrong. Accept it.
Well first of all, I'm not "absolutely confused". Secondly, you have an inflated opinion of yourself and your thoughts. Thirdly - since I have an opinion of you that concurs with reality (you aren't all that bright, you just think you are), I'm done with this conversation. Best wishes.
shareTranslation: "I've demonstrated that thinking clearly isn't my thing, so I'm gonna run away now."
Cool. Run away, now.
Is this clear enough for you?
GFY
LOL. . .Thought you were done w/this conversation? We've never met, but I'm fairly sure you have an entire Closet filled w/clown shoes. Gentle suggestion: go play with them, and leave the critical thinking to those of us. Good luck to you!
shareI am done with it. I just presented my last thought to you. In case you didn't understand it, I'll present it again:
GFY
Is it clear enough this time? Do you get it? I mean you with your supposed superior intellect should be able to understand that when someone presents
GFY
to you - they in fact are done with you. So, in fact, GFY. Adios
We're all holding our breath to see if you really, really mean it this time.
LMAO. . .just kidding. No we're not; we all know you're deficient in a multitude of areas, including comprehension and consistency. And let's face it: you already know nobody cares about you.
Really, this is like t-ball. Wanna toddle off now, or tee up another?
They covered that thoroughly.
Exactly Kaffee’s original plan until developments made him feel he had something to prove — that he could be a real courtroom lawyer like his esteemed father.
Hello Tabbycat: If I remember correctly - Kaffee didn't want to jump at the 12 years until he went to Cuba. After the trip to Cuba, he is inspired enough to negotiate. He doesn't like Kendrick or Jessup and I believe he comes up with some useful information while he is down there. So, he goes further with it. He gets it down to two years. This is as far as he wants to go with it. Dawson and Downey say no - Daniel decides he wants out of the case. At that point, I thought it was Demi Moore's (Joanne) manipulation that kept him with it.
I could be wrong though - it's been a long time since I've see "A Few Good Men".
Sounds like they both mean the same to me.
shareNo they don’t. The rephrased question is asking what Jessup was thinking at the time, the original question is asking what Lt Kendrick was thinking. You can testify as to what you were thinking not someone else
shareNah, it's the same. Both questions are asking him to take a guess. 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
shareNope one is asking him to explain what he was thinking, that’s not a guess , he knows what he was thinking, he doesn’t know what Kendrick was thinking.
Also you’re arguing a non sequitur because even if I am unable to come up with a better way to phrase the question it doesn’t change the fact that Kaffee still asked Jessup a question he could never answer and Bacon didn’t object like he should have.
You would make a horrible lawyer
Both questions ask the same thing and they call for speculation, one just uses more words than the other. Objectionable. Everything else you say is:
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For the last time the way I phrased the question was asking how he felt! He knows how he felt and what he was thinking. Also it’s a non sequitur
shareFor the last time? Riiiiiiiight.
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There's a lot of things that were objectionable there.
But if you're looking for an in-universe explanation, I'm pretty sure that Bacon's character was still looking out for Kaffee in that final courtroom scene. For instance, he knew that Kaffee's rebuttal witnesses were a total bluff.