Why would they transfer Myers on October 30? - Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers (1988) Discussion

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[–] dave626 8 years ago

Story reasons. Had it been Feb. 12, as you suggested, Michael would've just hung out for 12 months at his abandoned home (which was never shown in 4) and done his thing on Halloween like always. I always hoped Hoffman like Wynn was part of the Thorn Cult from 6 and released him then on purpose, but alas, they didn't think of that. Smith's Grove was definitely crooked.

"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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[–] GorchBrother 8 years ago

Had it been Feb. 12, as you suggested, Michael would've just hung out for 12 months at his abandoned home (which was never shown in 4) and done his thing on Halloween like always

If you wait 12 months from Feb 12, it's Feb 12 again, not Halloween.

Smith's Grove was definitely crooked.

Not until a fan invented that storyline for H6.

It always amazes me the way window-lickers like Dave can delude themselves into attributing made up as went plot lines to earlier films as if they were real events. Of course this capacity is almost always accompanied with a very tenuous and naive grip on reality itself.

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[–] GreatWhiteApeofBarsoom 8 years ago

The movie doesn't say, but we can speculate from the dialogue Hoffman arranged the transfer when he knew Loomis wouldn't be around so Loomis couldn't interfere.

That was a fateful decision.

Requiescat in pace, Krystle Papile. I'll always miss you. Justice was finally served.

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[–] dave626 8 years ago

Michael was a federal patient and federal prisoner, so he deserved to be in Smith's Grove. Hoffman was following the law. However, it would've been nice for a deeper reason.

"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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[–] GreatWhiteApeofBarsoom 8 years ago

That was the excuse given by Hoffman. Of course Michael would actually have been a prisoner of the State of Illinois since his crimes weren't federal.

Requiescat in pace, Krystle Papile. I'll always miss you. Justice was finally served.

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[–] dave626 8 years ago

Isn't killing a marshall a federal offense? I know murder is a capital offense, maybe not federal. In any event, it was as you said, an excuse, but it worked.
Similar to taking him in front of the judge in the original.

"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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[–] GreatWhiteApeofBarsoom 8 years ago

Murder is a federal crime if committed against someone affiliated with the federal government like a sitting President or if committed against federal employees on federal property.

Thus, killing a federal marshal on nonfederal property would probably be a crime prosecuted by the state the crime was committed in (although I'm sure the federal government may have looked at ways to prosecute Michael in case the State of Illinois failed to secure the death penalty against him). Even so, Michael committed serial murder in one municipality. Since he didn't cross state lines or attack anyone on federal property, the State of Illinois would have had jurisdiction to prosecute and incarcerate.

Requiescat in pace, Krystle Papile. I'll always miss you. Justice was finally served.

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[–] dave626 8 years ago

Thanks. I'm not really up to date on law stuff when it comes to federal and local/state.
For this movie, it was as you said, an excuse. As good as any, I suppose. Served it's purpose.

"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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[–] GorchBrother 8 years ago

Smith's Grove is a State hospital. Not federal.

"Who can't use the Force now?! I can still use the Force!" - Yarael Poof

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[–] whitelighter (28) 5 years ago

The next day was the 10 year anniversary of his incarceration, and by law, if a prisoner had lain dormant for 10 years, he had to be transferred to a state-run facility.

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[–] Martoto (4284) 5 years ago

But Smith's Grove is a state institution.

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[–] whitelighter (28) 5 years ago

Right - so they were taking him from a federal institute to Smith's Grove.

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[–] Martoto (4284) 5 years ago

What?

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[–] superbenji26 8 years ago

We needed a sequel, that's why.

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[–] Tank-McQuade 8 years ago

Cause they are morons

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[–] Verdugo85 7 years ago

Because its the Return Of Michael Myers, the rebirth of the Halloween series 

But you're right, if he had been transferred on February he would've stood in coma.

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[–] dave626 7 years ago

Nah. He'd have done exactly what he did in Curse, H20 and Resurrection, be kept in 6, wait. H20, wait. Resurrection, live under his house 3 years, wait.

So the answer is : If he'd have escaped any other day he'd have waited.

"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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[–] Verdugo85 7 years ago

Yes but if Michael had escaped before October 30 in Halloween 4 he couldnt hide anywhere and wait in Haddonfield because the authorities would've hunt him down..

Michael was believed to be "dead" in Curse, H20 and Resurrection. This gave him time to hide and wait..

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[–] dave626 7 years ago

Yes he can. No. 1, the Myers house still existed and whether you go by the Halloween 5, 6 or even the Resurrection versions, he's been able to hide from them in there before. He even hid from the cops in Halloween 5 in the Carruthers house and they didn't find him. Second, who says he had to stay in Haddonfield the whole time? He could hide in the next town over, or the next state even, kill someone or live in a similarly abandoned house like his and no one would know. Even in the 70s-90s there were homeless squatters.

Also, if you go by Halloween 6, Wynn and his Thorn cult hid him for 6 years. So if they can do it, Michael can do it on his own. Even in H20, they said after II "They never found his body". They never found him for 20 years. How many people have hidden for years before being caught. Nazis, serial killers, murderers, etc. And this is real life. Not movies.

Michael is one man, in a very large haystack we call America, which is home for billions of people. Unmasked, not many know what he looks like and anyone can change their appearance. As for 5, he needed a haircut, to say the least. So good luck finding him. Finally, if you go by the comics, even *there* no one could find him. So in every form of media, Michael is elusive.

H20, they could've had an APB on his car, but he switched it, and switched again in Res. The APB on the stolen car in H20, the one the woman and her daughter had, wasn't found before he reached California. So how on Earth would the authorities hunt one man down in situations like that?

"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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[–] motorcycledriveb (303) 5 years ago

This was in the canon of Halloween 5 and 6. Wynn/the cult of Thorn ordered that he would be transferred on October 30th. Who else would be paying for his medical attention? They decide when he's transferred.

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[–] Bosdog6777 (817) 5 years ago

Because they are absolutely desperate to confine this story to strictly Halloween night because Michael isnt as cool as Jason and Freddy so he needs Halloween as a crutch to be relevant

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[–] bobbydallas (8105) 3 years ago

atmosphere, baby

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