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Lambert was not trans

posted 8 months ago by jk90us (5736)
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WTF?

Article states it says the bio for Lambert from Alien shown for a second on screen in this movie that Lambert “transitioned from male to female at birth and suffered no trauma related to gender alteration."

WTF? Someone in the production department playing a joke no one would have noticed unless they paused that shot doesn’t make her being trans canon.

So no, the movie didn’t “break ground.” Not in that way, anyway.

https://www.slashfilm.com/1412688/aliens-broke-sci-fi-ground-lambert/

[–] TandyMan (10625) 8 months ago

because the Alien films have such impressive continuity. it's an interesting little factoid though. Alien is still just one movie and then a whole lot of other people saying that's a neat idea and putting their own spin on it.

[–] thingmakersback (1262) 8 months ago

WTFNot?

Maybe it's significant and maybe not. Just deal with it.

In '79, when Alien came out, I was reading stories, (first novel was still new) by John Varley, set in a future where humanity was living on various moons and planets around the solar system and everyone was allowed one child... You happen to be male... well, they have sex changes that actually work, and you can bear a child that way. Basically, all the characters change sex, more or less at a whim. It's not creepy or jokey unless you are so caught up in 20th century ideas that you ought to avoid science fiction.

[–] Melton (2647) 8 months ago

To suddenly swap your chromosomal makeup and have a whole new physiology including new sex organs would be completely weird.

Living as a man and then ‘switching’ to a woman who gives birth through a vagina would be nightmarishly bizarre.

[–] thingmakersback (1262) 8 months ago

And yet the folks living in this future society appear to cope with it quite well. It all seems reasonable in context.

One of the stories is called, as I recall, "The Barbie Murders" and concerns a subculture of people who use the same sort of procedures to render themselves both neuter and identically shaped like well developed females. Lacking genitalia and other female or male organs, they are essentially sexless... The rest of society does not understand this odd lifestyle and refers to them as Barbies for obvious reasons. The story posits a murder occurring in this community with the two significant problems of identifying one of the identical suspects and determining a motive... which turns out to be sexual, against all apparent reason.

[–] Martoto (4446) 4 months ago

Can't have any weirdness in the Alien franchise I guess. There's nothing weird in it at all.

[–] Melton (2647) 4 months ago

The Aliens are ‘weird’, the humans are not, remember?

[–] Martoto (4446) 4 months ago

What about the ones that turned out to be synthetic?

[–] Melton (2647) 4 months ago

You mean the androids who aren’t humans?

[–] Martoto (4446) 4 months ago

So you think androids that are virtually indistinguishable from humans is not as weird as trans people.

Interesting.

[–] mechajutaro (2788) 4 months ago

Fairly certain the "girl" Marine in this flick was the only trans person on film

[–] Melton (2647) 4 months ago

No, Cathy Newman, I mean that the androids are not humans and so to describe them as humans ‘that turned out to be synthetic’ betrays a complete misunderstanding of the films and doesn’t bolster your dumb point at all.

There’s nothing weird about androids, it’s a fairly common sci-fi trope and we’re not far off synthetic humans with the state of modern tech and AI.

Now, the idea of a human switching from XY to XX chromosomes and have a whole new physiology including new sex organs would be very, very weird.

[–] Martoto (4446) 4 months ago

You're nutty. At what point did any movie refer to Lambert's chromosomes?

[–] Melton (2647) 4 months ago

You’re not in a position to describe anyone as ‘nutty’ given the moronic horseshit you’ve been spouting here.

Why are you asking about Lambert’s chromosomes? This sub-thread is about a John Varley novel that thingmakersback mentioned in which men can change sex and give birth. You did actually read the prior posts before weighing in on the discussion… didn’t you?

[–] Martoto (4446) 4 months ago

Where you a x chromosome when you were born and you're struggling to adjust being a y chromosome? Is that your problem?

[–] Melton (2647) 4 months ago

Let’s try again.

Why are you asking about Lambert’s chromosomes? This sub-thread is about a John Varley novel that thingmakersback mentioned in which men can change sex and give birth. You did actually read the prior posts before weighing in on the discussion… didn’t you?

[–] Martoto (4446) 4 months ago

You're mistaken. This sub-sub-thread is about what is and isn't weird, according to you, in Aliens. Here's the posts I'm referring to.

"The Aliens are ‘weird’, the humans are not, remember?"

"Now, the idea of a human switching from XY to XX chromosomes and have a whole new physiology including new sex organs would be very, very weird."

You tried to claim that while perfectly replicated synthetic humans should not be considered weird, "the idea of a human switching from XY to XX chromosomes and have a whole new physiology including new sex organs would be very, very weird."

But that has no place in a discussion of what's weird in Aliens since there is no reference to switching chromosomes or having whole new human physiologies in Aliens. Just reference to Lambert not being the same gender they were assigned at birth.

[–] Melton (2647) 4 months ago

[–] Martoto (4446) 4 months ago

Here's the post of mine you replied to.

"Can't have any weirdness in the Alien franchise I guess. There's nothing weird in it at all."

So you abandoned your John Varley thread to focus on the the preposterous idea that nothing other than the Aliens are weird in the Aliens franchise.

So it looks like you're not only confused, you've managed to confuse yourself. And determined to stay that way. Or at least pretend to with this childish avoidance tactic.

I don't care about X and Y chromosomes in any context. I don't care what thread or sub thread they are mentioned in. There is no mention of chromosomes on Aliens, so it is irrelevant to what is or isn't weird in Aliens.

[–] Melton (2647) 4 months ago

[–] Martoto (4446) 4 months ago

I'm not asking about Lambert's chromosomes. I'm asking why you think I'm accountable for the supposed changing of chromosomes and human physiology in Aliens when there is no mention of such things in the movie relating to Lambert.

Regardless. Your insistence that nothing except the Alien is a weird thing, even to us, in the movies is utterly ludicrous.

[–] Melton (2647) 4 months ago

I'm not asking about Lambert's chromosomes.

You were, right here: https://moviechat.org/tt0090605/Aliens/6533ec18be3f58627888bccb/Lambert-was-not-trans?reply=65dd8cfecc4c6c7af77a3b12

Now that you’ve been smacked down and humiliated for stupidly ignoring the context of this discussion before you farted out your mindless post you’re now frantically trying to change the subject 🤦🏻‍♂️

I'm asking why you think I'm accountable for the supposed changing of chromosomes and human physiology in Aliens when there is no mention of such things in the movie relating to Lambert.

Why would you ask me that? Your premise has nothing to do with my position. Idiot.

Regardless. Your insistence that nothing except the Alien is a weird thing, even to us, in the movies is utterly ludicrous.

I didn’t ‘insist’ that, you pulled that out of your ass and attributed it to me. Tool.

[–] Martoto (4446) 4 months ago

You've quoted me asking you why you brought Lambert's supposedly switched chromosomes up with me. Dummy.

There’s nothing weird about androids, it’s a fairly common sci-fi trope and we’re not far off synthetic humans with the state of modern tech and AI.

Now, the idea of a human switching from XY to XX chromosomes and have a whole new physiology including new sex organs would be very, very weird.

Why would you say this in the context of Alien/Aliens where there is no mention of switching chromosomes or having new human sex organs an a whole new human physiology?

I didn’t ‘insist’ that, you pulled that out of your ass and attributed it to me. Tool.

Umm...

The Aliens are ‘weird’, the humans are not, remember?

[–] TrentnQuarantino (8883) 4 months ago

Nice argument.