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How well would Michael Myers do against Kevin McCallister?


Just watched Home Alone 1 and 2 and thought that Kevin McCallister would easily deal with Michael Myers, just have Kevin find out that Michael was stalking him and trying to break into his house to get to him, booby trap the entire house and watch Michael fall on his ass or get smashed in the face with random household object, even get his face and mask covered with feathers.

Michael would have to go through hell to catch that kid and his booby traps would catch Michael off guard, he could also easily outrun him and call the cops, and Old Man Marley could intervene with his shovel and knock him out easily as well, Harry and Marv though would die quickly, Kevin would never be killed or captured by Michael.

They really should have had one of Michaels victims use booby traps against Michael, set him up for a trap or accident, have suprises set up that Michael would get slowed down by, would really ruin his invincible aura.

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Michael isn't as stupid as Harry and Marv. He wouldn't allow himself to walk into traps. Granted he did with Loomis in 5 and Laurie in Res. but those were more blind rage and target in sight traps. You're talking Kevin, who wasn't even around when his traps were laid or in sight at the time. Michael would know his surroundings. If anything, Michael would outsmart Kevin as he has his other victims. No contest.


"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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What a peculiar topic to begin with.

RIP Gene Wilder. One of the funniest people of all time. RIP Robert Vaughn

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Funny you should even conceive such a thing: Some film school called Film Connection gave this as an example of how to put together a sizzle reel.

Are you directing a film about a masked axe murderer who kidnaps a small child? Then you’d use re-contextualized footage from Halloween and Home Alone. Maybe your Dr. Loomis character is intended to be an homage to John McClane, so you include footage from Bruce Willis’ previous films. The footage you use should quickly communicate tone and atmosphere.


https://www.filmconnection.com/courses/cinematography/lesson-19/

But yeah, I think Kevin and Michael would both outsmart each other. Mike isn't anywhere near as stupid as Harry and Marv, and Kevin is more booby-trap savvy than Laurie. Hell, look at Nancy Thompson! A Nightmare on Elm Street was Home Alone before there WAS a Home Alone!

C. Martin Croker 1962-2016 RIP

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I LOLed at this post but yeah Michael Myers is slow, stupid and miss stabbings at 1 meter distance so I assume that if this is an RPG he have like 5 Agility points.. MISS MISS MISS.

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Well, for one thing if he was accurate, Laurie's dead and movie's over. So there's that. Second, he only missed once. He got her the first time. Keep in mind *that* attempt was while walking, she was also moving and moving targets are harder to hit. The only miss was when he was behind the couch and she was at it's feet. One he couldn't see her til he rose, second he had to aim down quickly and depth perception and angle also played a key factor.

Here's a thought, get behind your couch with someone in that exact same position and fake try to stab them. See how that works out for you...or not....


"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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Dave has an excuse for everything. It's stupid he missed.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. RIP William Christopher. 2016 is the worst!

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Dave has an excuse for everything. It's stupid he missed.


Do you think it was stupid in II when he kept missing Laurie's legs while she was climbing through the window? They were literally right there and he kept missing them. Hell, he couldn't even grab them.

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Don't confuse excuses with reasons or facts. There's a difference. Excuses are made when people are wrong. As I said, had he not missed, movie's over. How stupid would that be? And again, I say, if you feel so strongly about it, test it yourself in reality, remember this is a movie, Halloween. So reality isn't exactly expected, *but* if you can't do it in real life, then why should movies be any different?

What was stupid was Laurie kept dropping the knife. Even JLC thought it was stupid. And your precious Halloween II has plenty of stupid things in it, like Leo said, so don't go casting stones. You truly are getting worse and worse as a human being. No wonder no one really likes you.


"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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You're getting worse and worse. How we were ever pals to begin with I'll never know. You think you know everything, and you don't know jack. Copy that for him, Leo.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. RIP William Christopher. 2016 is the worst!

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You're getting worse and worse. How we were ever pals to begin with I'll never know. You think you know everything, and you don't know jack. Copy that for him, Leo.


I'm going to assume that your non response to my question means that you agree that it was stupid for him to miss her legs in Halloween II.

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Why do you think I have you on ignore cj? One, because you're a homophobic bigot and 2, because *You think you know everything and you don't know jack*. So don't go dissing me when I deal with facts and you deal with opinions you think are facts. And I don't need Leo or anyone else to do my dirty work for me. And Leo's right, your non response is showing.

Bottom line, I defended you for a time, listened to your constant PMs asking me to stand up for you, when you're an adult, do it yourself. You don't need me to fight your battles, but enough's enough. People were right about you all along.

You're a grown man, but you've got issues and you bring them to the boards. Then you cry when people pick on you. How can anyone take you seriously?

As for me, I've tried to be respectful, tried to understand you, but you keep digging your own hole deeper. I stick to facts, of which I've had almost 40 years to do so on these films. Every interview, every angle, every making of. Knowledge is key.

Bears repeating again since you obviously can't come up with a good excuse to prove me wrong. If he doesn't miss, movie's over. And when in real life is killing ever that easy? Especially in those situations? Give me facts, not opinions. I'm done.


"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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I don't need to reply to Leo. What he says isn't important. And neither is what you say. You don't deal in facts, David. Just your stupid opinion. If he stabbed her good, the movie would be over. It was over an hour and 15 minutes long at that point. Movie over. Job well done.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. RIP William Christopher. 2016 is the worst!

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I don't need to reply to Leo. What he says isn't important. And neither is what you say. You don't deal in facts, David. Just your stupid opinion. If he stabbed her good, the movie would be over. It was over an hour and 15 minutes long at that point. Movie over. Job well done.


The only reason why you deem it not important is because then you'd either have to admit that its equally stupid in II, or say it isn't, which would make your views inconsistent. You really need to stop and think about what you're going to say before posting. You keep putting yourself into situations that make you look foolish.

I can agree with you though. If he did get Laurie it would be job well done as it would have spared us from having Halloween II.

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You really need to stop and think about what you're going to say before posting. You keep putting yourself into situations that make you look foolish.



I'm getting a strong sense of deja-vu here.

That's the very thing I told him many times over before he fled to the sanctuary of his ignore button.


He's too quick to run his mouth without engaging his brain and the result is a plethora of irrelevant/illogical/contradictory statements that often fly in the face of previous comments he's made.

It doesn't help that he struggles to discuss this movie with any real insight or below surface level.......and that his grasp on it is relatively feeble in comparison to numerous other posters.

But then by his own admission:



I'm just not very good at expressing my views without like calling you names and stuff.

I'm not a deep thinker like you, Sim.



Yet despite these admissions, he continues to promote his "views" above other people's and present himself as some kind of authority on the film.






And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all.

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I totally agree. He would save himself a lot of trouble if he would sit back and think about what he just read and what he is going to say before responding rather than just running in guns a blazing. Like you said, he constantly contradicts himself and when he is presented with these contradictions he is too stubborn to acknowledge them and tries to have it both ways. It's little wonder why most people don't take him seriously.

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If you must have an answer about the slashing at the legs while she was trying to climb through the window, then it is completely different then him missing while she was just standing there, or sitting in front of the couch. Her legs were kicking while climbing through the window. Of course he couldn't get a good grab.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.

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First off, he never missed her when she was just standing there. When he went for her at the Wallace house he got her. Just not well enough to take her out.

As for the situations that are being discussed, no, it isn't different. Her legs are right there at arms length. If this is real life he cuts her legs to shreds. The reason why he doesn't is the same reason why he missed her while she was kneeling at the couch. If he doesn't miss her the movie is over.

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I guess I'm lucky cos Cj stills has me in ignore for years - I never understood what he has against me, but I guess it's a good thing cos I don't have to deal with him at all....

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Indeed. He has made a lot of enemies here and no one to blame but himself. I live by simple rules. Morality, for one, no bigotry. Second, be respectful. Defend people when necessary. Defend myself when necessary. React, don't entice. In other words, I don't just attack people for no reason, I like you until you give me a reason not to.

Cj doesn't seem to get that. His words have consequences. People will turn against you and call you on your BS. Also, when you give ludicrous opinions like where the car was, goofs, the whole knife scenario and calling Halloween II flawless and better than the original, over say, facts.

They will bite you in the butt and bite hard.

But as a almost 15 year member or this board, you kinda get used to it.


"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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Take it eady, poncho. I've been here for over 12 years now myself. I've seen everything too. I've never spoken BS. You on the other hand...

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.

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I've never spoken BS.


There you again, not thinking about what you're going to say before you say it. I've been posting here on and off for over a year and I've been a lurker for about a year or so before I decided to sign up. Here are some things that I've seen you say yourself, or things that others have mentioned that you have said.

"Myers cooked the dog that Brackett and Loomis found at the Myers house."

"Carpenter and the rest of the crew forgot to put the station wagon on set."

"Dr. Wynn doesn't exist in the original Halloween because nobody calls him by his name." Then when shown that the name Dr. Wynn is in the credits: "That's a flub."

"There's no way Laurie could have heard her father talking to her about dropping the keys off at the Myers house. She is a block away from him." When in the film she is maybe 15-20 feet away.

"The seven shots in Halloween II isn't a flub. Just don't count them."

Then I mentioned a discrepancy in what was stated as the address of the Myers house in II and what is shown on the house itself and your reply was, "It's not a flub. I haven't seen it yet."

I'm sure others can recall things that you've said over the years that I don't even know about. So you may want to rethink your claim that you have never spoken any BS.

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Hey Leo, these are discussions that CJ said long before 2015, it seems fishy that a one year old account has recollection of CJ's quote long before 2015.



Well, it's similarly curious that you can go back and pinpoint quote dates preceeding 2015 with your bareley 6 month old account..........one might deem that just as "fishy".

Not that I mind of course, it doesn't bother me if people post under 20 different accounts. It's their time and labor!



Let me guess, you are probably AgentSparkyX or HaddonfieldMemorial.



Perhaps......or perhaps not......but even if he is, what he's saying is still credible. The point is valid no matter where it originates.


And with your helpful insight into dates, you've probably even supported his case by verifying that the outlandish quotes he's listed are indeed authentic.


He may even owe you some thanks.







And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all.

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your bareley 6 month old account..........one might deem that just as "fishy".

I have been here since Feb 2005, someone reported my account too many times and it got deleted, probably that idiot Haddon or Agent with their numerous sock accounts.

You're false accusation is not very appreciated, Mr. Simest.


Christopher from North Carolina

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092455/board/thread/263091875?p=25&d=265703865#265703865

Re: OT: GO TRUMP !!!!
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by cs_toshak » 1 hour ago (Fri Feb 3 2017 06:35:55) Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since August 2016
This is Agent Sparky X sock account.

Busted.


"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092455/board/thread/263091875?p=25&d=265703865#265703865

Re: OT: GO TRUMP !!!!
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by cs_toshak » 1 hour ago (Fri Feb 3 2017 06:35:55) Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since August 2016
This is Agent Sparky X sock account.

Busted.


Looks like he's going all over the place accusing people of being socks.

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Dave626 is right for once, Agent has many sock accounts including a few CJ sock accounts. Haddon has the Randy account on the Beyonce board.

Agent is a liar he posted and replied to Haddon asking why he was removed from his Facebook page a week ago on my thread "what ever happen to HaddonfieldMemorial"

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I have been here since Feb 2005, someone reported my account too many times and it got deleted, probably that idiot Haddon or Agent with their numerous sock accounts.



That's unfortunate. Of course, Leo could also claim that something similar may have happened to him rather than him being a "sock account".

Who knows?




You're false accusation is not very appreciated, Mr. Simest.



In all honesty, I've not made any accusation, false or otherwise.

If we examine who has made an accusation here it is most likely you.
You have accused Leo..........I've not accused you.


I'm simply saying that anyone looking at your account could quite easily make the assumptions you make when you're looking at Leo's.


But as I've said, I've no issues with people using a dozen different accounts to shoot the breeze on here..........if they really wish to.







And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all.

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Leo stalks CJ on every board.Explain that?

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Cause he's a stalker. All these stalkers and doppelgangers are the reason imdb is shutting down its message boards.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.

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Leo stalks CJ on every board.Explain that?


Let's look at some of your posts on other boards.


by cs_toshak » 4 hours ago (Fri Feb 3 2017 06:35:55) Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since August 2016
This is Agent Sparky X sock account.



by cs_toshak » 1 day ago (Thu Feb 2 2017 06:21:27) Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since August 2016
Hey North, Bewitched seriously?


by cs_toshak » 6 days ago (Fri Jan 27 2017 13:48:29) Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since August 2016
Hey Northernlad, what is with your obsession with Madonna? She is kind of old,ain't she?


by cs_toshak » Wed Jan 25 2017 18:58:21 Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Hi Haddon


by cs_toshak » Tue Jan 24 2017 16:13:45 Flag ▼ | Reply |
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This is AgentSparkyX sock account, CJ doesn't even post on the Star Wars board, but Agent does.


cs_toshak » Sat Sep 24 2016 10:34:26 Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Post Edited: Sat Sep 24 2016 10:35:51
It's HaddonFieldMemorial sock account. He has two accounts. One for the Halloween board and the Randy accounts for the Beyonce board.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077651/board/thread/261129401?d=261129401#261129401

Why he chose two different accounts, it's beyond me, but he ain't too bright, Haddon's real name is Randy and he is also gay.


Pot meet Kettle.

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Leo stalks CJ on every board.Explain that?





If that's so, I guess he just doesn't like him!

I'm not sure Leo would be alone in that.


Sometimes if a person is over-opinionated, elitist in their views and intolerant/disrespectful to others, they make enemies.........or at the very least they invite trouble onto themselves.


Some people will put up with it, some won't, others will ignore it and others still will challenge it at every opportunity.


I don't think it's an entirely bad thing if someone is regularly challenging another who tries to beat those around them into submission with their opinions and theories. If such a person wasn't challenged enough they might grow an ego the size of Nebraska and disappear up their own backside thinking the world around them is inferior.

I think someone challenging such a person may in the long run be doing them a favour. You may call it stalking.........but cj is not some innocent victim being persecuted. He is regularly an unfortunate example of how not to conduct oneself on a public forum - and I guess that comes at a price.

None of us are perfect but there are some simple basic principles to observe in coming to message boards like these and sharing thoughts and opinion. When you neglect these principals you can expect resistance.

At one time I would discuss theories with cj and usually disagree with him and that's fine.

Generally, I would only challenge him when he would come into a thread and make observations about me, how I post and discuss me rather than the topic. He had a strange tendency to do this and it became rather predictable and tedious.

That's not fine and sadly he brought this to a head a while ago so I had to spell out a few facts to him which he didn't like hearing and so reached for his ignore switch. It was all very unfortunate.

Despite all this, I don't regard him as an enemy and I've never hurled names or insults at him. Some sarcasm certainly, I'll admit that.

It's a pity these things happen but I'm content we no longer interact.


But I can understand why others might want to meet fire with fire at every turn while it continues to be an issue.






And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all.

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Let me guess, you are probably AgentSparkyX or HaddonfieldMemorial.


My gosh, barely a peep nor posts from me on the Halloween board for 13 months and cs is still obsessed with me? That's very abnormal behavior.


BTW,hiya simest. How you been?

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Hey Leo, these are discussions that CJ said long before 2015, it seems fishy that a one year old account has recollection of CJ's quote long before 2015.


Much like CJ you should think about what you're going to say and make sure it adds up before you post. Read what I said below.


I've been posting here on and off for over a year and I've been a lurker for about a year or so before I decided to sign up.


Just because my account isn't that old doesn't mean I wasn't here reading the forums. People do that you know. I also said this:

Here are some things that I've seen you say yourself, or things that others have mentioned that you have said.


Nowhere in my post did I say I saw all of these discussions first hand. Myers cooking the dog, for instance. I've read posts where Simest has brought this quote up. I never saw the original discussion.

CJ and I had a discussion on the car being moved. You've been combing through my posts, go ahead and look it up.

you never discuss Halloween


I've been discussing Halloween during this whole thread!

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I don't know who posted all those retorts, as it is now deleted(why??), but everything you said I said, which unless you've saved everything I ever said(stalker) are perfectly sound. The dog was warm cause he cooked it is perfectly sound. How else could it have been warm? He lit a little bonfire, bam! Roasted dog. It's a low budget movie, so it makes perfect sense that the car wouldn't be on the set. Maybe whose ever car it was was getting groceries that day. You don't know. Were you there? I agree with the deleted post though. You don't talk Halloween, or Batman Returns, or any board you stalk me at. You just comment on my stuff, and never comment about anything else. Only after me downing my opinion. You've never started a topic, or posted without me posting first. You're a grade A jerk.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.

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I don't know who posted all those retorts, as it is now deleted(why??), but everything you said I said, which unless you've saved everything I ever said(stalker) are perfectly sound.


I have no idea why it was deleted, and no I haven't saved everything you've said. It's not hard to remember things especially when they are as ridiculous as those statements.

The dog was warm cause he cooked it is perfectly sound. How else could it have been warm? He lit a little bonfire, bam! Roasted dog.


How else could it have been warm? You've heard of body heat haven't you? Brackett made that statement because he was implying that the animal hadn't been dead long. When something dies it gradually loses it's body heat. The fact that it was still warm meant that whatever killed it was in the house recently.

When Loomis made the statement, "He got hungry", Brackett then says that it could have been a skunk that killed the dog. If Myers lit a bonfire and, bam roasted dog why would Brackett think this was the work of a skunk? Why didn't he mention the remnants of the fire? Why didn't he mention that the animal looked like it was cooked? You do realize that if the animal had been cooked the carcass would have been charred. Neither one of them made that observation.

Had the animal been cooked then perhaps Brackett would have started to believe Loomis, but he didn't. He wrote it off as the work of a skunk and continued to remain skeptical that Myers was in Haddonfield throughout the remainder of the movie.

It's a low budget movie, so it makes perfect sense that the car wouldn't be on the set. Maybe whose ever car it was was getting groceries that day. You don't know. Were you there?


They rented the car. The fact that it's a low budget movie I'm sure they shot all the scenes that included the car while they had it, so they wouldn't have to pay to keep it longer, so if the car was meant to be in that scene it would have been. It wasn't. It was located blocks away which implied that the car was moved. It's not a very hard conclusion to make.

I agree with the deleted post though. You don't talk Halloween, or Batman Returns, or any board you stalk me at. You just comment on my stuff, and never comment about anything else. Only after me downing my opinion. You've never started a topic, or posted without me posting first. You're a grade A jerk.


As I said before, I've been talking Halloween throughout this whole thread. As far as starting a topic, how many have you started? The only one you've started in the past 5 months was one complaining about the number of people posting around Halloween, calling them fake fans.

As far as the Batman Returns board I'm too busy defending the guy that you're calling a "freak" and a "weirdo" because he happens to like a character that you don't like.

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Blah, blah, blah. My arguments concerning these things are just as valid as yours. He didn't mention the bonfire remnants perhaps because he didn't see it since he had a two watt flashlight is all for his light. I can make silly arguments just as easily as you can. And just because I don't make a topic here doesn't mean I don't make them elsewhere, dumbass. Unless you truly DO stalk me everywhere I go, and know for a fact it's been 5 months, or whatever. Still more than you in either case, wacko. And why do you feel the need to defend Harvey(can't even remember the defendants name, huh counselor?) It's none of your business. Are you the board police. He can defend himself. You're the reason they're shutting down the boards Leo.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.

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Blah, blah, blah


That's most of what comes out of your mouth.

My arguments concerning these things are just as valid as yours.


Not really. Mine are based on reality and common sense. Yours are based on what would be best described as foolish.

He didn't mention the bonfire remnants perhaps because he didn't see it since he had a two watt flashlight is all for his light.


He saw the animal didn't he? Why wouldn't he see the big burn mark on the floor as the result of a bon fire? Even if he didn't, he does have a nose doesn't he? When you set something on fire and burn something it has a smell to it. He would have said, "smells like something was burned here recently. After all, this is supposed to be a deserted house, so the fact that something like that would have happened would have raised some red flags.

I can make silly arguments just as easily as you can


Even more easily I'd say, as that's all you've done.

And just because I don't make a topic here doesn't mean I don't make them elsewhere, dumbass.


First of all you're the one who brought that into the discussion. It really has no relevance to what is going on. Dumbass.

And why do you feel the need to defend Harvey(can't even remember the defendants name, huh counselor?)


Just because I didn't mention him by name doesn't mean I don't remember it. Another foolish assumption on your part. Man, you're batting 1.000 in that area. I don't feel the need to defend anyone, but I do find it quite hypocritical of you to sit around and cry about all the grief that you endure (by your own doing), doppelgangers (you don't see doppelgangers of anyone else do you), and how bad you're treated by people here and then you turn around and treat him the same way.


You're the reason they're shutting down the boards Leo.


More rubbish. Did you even read the announcement?

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Hey CJ, this Leo account is another sock of Agent or Haddon. It's the same crap like that john_carpenter account. These loonie tunes follows you everywhere on every board that you usually post.

You post on the Cheers, StarTrek or Batman board, their discussions is about you, it has nothing to do with the tv show or the movie itself.

And then you have Agent Sparky X, the biggest retard of them all, talking about obsession and abnormal. Dude! You're the one with Cih8504 sock account!!!!

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I provided examples where you've done the same thing with other people from this forum, so by your own admission you're a looney tune as well.

Also what about your threads that you've created over the last few weeks taunting Haddon? What exactly does that have to do with this movie.

Your words would carry a lot more weight if you weren't doing the very things you accuse me of.

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I'm looking for out my buddy CJ, now piss off Sparky.

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According to CJ himself people here don't need anybody to defend him, but I'm sure all that goes out the window when its in his favor.

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Yeah, they mentioned you. People not making it pleasant for other people. Not constructive, all your doing. And fools like you. And again, how I treat someone on these boards is still none of your concern. You don't need to bump to anyone's defense. The best thing about no message boards is not having to put up with your BS anymore.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.

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Yeah, they mentioned you. People not making it pleasant for other people. Not constructive, all your doing.



You say that they targeted people not making things pleasant for other people. So how are you making it pleasant for Harvey when you call him a wacko, and a weirdo because he likes a character you don't? You are delusional and a fool.

The best thing about no message boards is not having to put up with your BS anymore.


I'm sure there's a bunch of people thinking the same thing about you.

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Well, I don't think you're Sparky, Leo. You're a different deranged nut.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.

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Exactly why am I a deranged nut? Because I call you out on your BS?

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Harvey and I are just joshing. He's mentally ill, obviously, but that's alright. He's a decent fellow aside from his sick perversions.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.

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Just Joshing? He had you on ignore because you bullied him.

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Because that's all you do. You don't ADD anything to these boards at all. You just follow me around and be a pain in my ass. That's why you're a deranged. Talk about something without talking about me. I've never seen you do it.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.

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Then you must not be reading very well. I was talking to Simest in this thread and that had nothing to do with you.

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What's he cross eyed? She was ripe for the picking when he came up behind Her.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.

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Just like she was ripe for the picking when she was hanging in the window, yet he couldn't seem to slice her leg. Just like she was ripe for the picking when he had her cornered in the elevator with nowhere to go, but for some reason he decided to keep walking like a robot slug.

The bottom line is that he isn't supposed to get Laurie in these movies. You don't see him struggling with anyone else do you?

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That's the first valid point you've ever made. You're right. He's not supposed to get her. I agree with you there.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.

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So then why do you think it's stupid that he missed? It reinforces the points that both Dave and I made. If he gets her the movie is over.

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But, the movie being over wouldn't be a bad thing at that point, would it?

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.

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If Myers kills Laurie at that moment then we wouldn't get the closet scene and the sit up scene, so I would say, yes.

Plus if he killed her at that moment you wouldn't get Halloween II. I can guarantee that you wouldn't like that.

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If Halloween ended there, they could've rejiggered the two iconic scenes, but if they didn't exist we wouldn't know the difference anyway, there wouldn't have been a Halloween II, at least a halloween II like we know it today, so we wouldn't have known any better.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.

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are you aware these msg boards will be closing for good 2/20/17?

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Well, knowing what you know now would you rather her be killed and those things never taken place, or have him miss and have them take place.

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For me, the dynamics with the stabbing scenes in HALLOWEEN and HALLOWEEN II are quite different.

In HALLOWEEN we have two scenes - and in each, Michael only gets one moment to hit his target.

In the Wallace house, he partially connects but Laurie tumbles over the banister and he loses her.
It is a single, one-swipe opportunity in that moment.


In the Doyle house, he misses her when reaching over from behind the sofa with Laurie crouched on the floor. Again, he only gets a single shot at this before she reacts, stabbing him with the knitting needle. Once he misses, the opportunity is gone.


Bear in mind he is wearing a full head mask which can impair vision and is operating in very low lighting in both of these scenes. It's not a big stretch that his aim is slightly off.


In HALLOWEEN II, Laurie is climbing through that window for what seems like an eternity and he is swiping and swiping away at her, missing time after time for no convincing reason - all I would say in better lighting than he had in the Doyle and Wallace house. Though the head mask is still a factor, here he has a light source each side of the window, illuminating his target.

So his opportunity in HALLOWEEN II is not a singular one like those in the original. It is protracted and and she is there for the taking beyond a singular moment.


So I agree that if the scenes in question from HALLOWEEN are somewhat stupid............then the one in HALLOWEEN II is utterly mindless and lamentable.
















And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all.

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In HALLOWEEN II, Laurie is climbing through that window for what seems like an eternity and he is swiping and swiping away at her, missing time after time for no convincing reason - all I would say in better lighting than he had in the Doyle and Wallace house. Though the head mask is still a factor, here he has a light source each side of the window, illuminating his target.

So his opportunity in HALLOWEEN II is not a singular one like those in the original. It is protracted and and she is there for the taking beyond a singular moment.


So I agree that if the scenes in question from HALLOWEEN are somewhat stupid............then the one in HALLOWEEN II is utterly mindless and lamentable.


That is what makes it laughable for me. Her legs are confined to an area of just a couple feet in size. Sure she's moving them around, but they're still in that area. It should have been easy for him to at least hit them with the scalpel.

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I could live without those scenes and Halloween II as is.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.

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Kevin would do very well. One good thing about him is he knew his villains. Like, Harry and Marv were small fish. Against Myers, he'd know to up his game and I would enjoy seeing him do that. It would be a much slower burn, but also a better horror movie than a lot of the Halloweens that currently exist.

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Put some thought into this and came to this conclusion: Michael would Kill Kevin McCallister. He would get around all the traps and Kevin wouldn't even know Michael was in the house until it was to late.

With the Wet Bandits, Kevin heard them say when they were coming and he was ready for them. Then they go to the back door, and start talking to him, thus announcing to him that they're there. Michael obviously would not have told Kevin when he was coming and definitely would not be talking to him thru a door. He would have been watching the house for hours, and would know that Kevin was getting ready for him. Then he would avoid the obvious entrance points (Front door, back door and basement). This leaves him 2 entrances. First the open window with the ornaments. Unlike Marv, he's still wearing his boots, so he'll painlessly crush the ornaments. The noises may tip off Kevin, but by that point its to late, Michael is in the house and we know how well he can hide. The second would be thru the open attic window. He would see the wire running from the window to the tree house, so he would know he could get into the house through there undetected. All he would need to do is find a way on the roof and he's in the attic which wasn't booby trapped. From the attic he can easily access the rest of the house, and all of Kevin's traps are obsolete, and Kevin doesn't even know Michael is there until its to late.

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The Michael Myers from this movie would lay the smack down on Kevin McCallister.

He was an unnatural force for evil, that couldn't be killed. Most of Kevin's booby-traps were set to cause physical harm, but being that Loomis shoot Michael several times and Michael just got up and walked away, I don't see what any of Kevin's traps would achieve.

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