I remember this guy - Volodymyr Zelenskyy Discussion

[–] TrentnQuarantino (8699) 2 years ago

BS, if he implicated Trump, Trump would have wreaked vengeance on him and his country.
You are so simpleminded it is sad.

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[–] KinkyInk (1694) 2 years ago

So, you have the ability to read Zelensky's mind, and not only know he's lying, but why he's lying.

Wow, that's amazing. You should take that act to a carnival somewhere.

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[–] TrentnQuarantino (8699) 2 years ago

I have the ability to understand politics, human nature, and Trump's behavioral precedent.

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[–] KinkyInk (1694) 2 years ago

Nope, you just base all of your opinions on 'Orange Man Bad.'

That's as far as the logic gets with you.

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[–] nte1igentwon (936) 2 years ago

Doesn't matter what he thought although he most certainly knew the Orange One was channeling his inner mob boss. Remember the military aid still hadn't been given yet and Zelensky had to consider the possibility of Cheetolini getting reelected. No matter how many times you tell a lie it will never become true.

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[–] KinkyInk (1694) 2 years ago

Another clairvoyant.

You've missed your calling. Shouldn't you be out helping to find lost children?

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[–] nte1igentwon (936) 2 years ago

Another idiot.

You fail to realize or, more likely refuse to acknowledge, that the Orange One's abuse of power is not contingent on Zelensky's feelings, state of mind, or opinion.

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[–] KinkyInk (1694) 2 years ago

So let me get this straight. You're saying Trump extorted Zelenski even though Zelenski said that never happened?

And I'm the idiot?

Hahahahaha!

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[–] nte1igentwon (936) 2 years ago

Yes. Yes, you are. Once again, IT DOESN'T MATTER what Zelensky thinks. Like almost everything the Orange One is involved in, the extortion attempt was a failure. In your dumbass mind I guess a failed bank robbery isn't a crime also?

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[–] KinkyInk (1694) 2 years ago

Your idea of a failed bank robbery:

Police: "Did this man try to rob you?"
Bank Teller: "No, he didn't."

Fucking moron.

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[–] nte1igentwon (936) 2 years ago

Except to make your twist on the analogy accurate the police would've viewed the actual robbery attempt! I like how you ignore the actual extant evidence of abuse, the fucking phone call and the deliberate steps taken to delay the administration of the aid, and put everything on Zelensky's state of mind.

I guess law enforcement should ignore actual evidence of physical abuse and witness testimony and rely solely on the denial by victims of domestic violence?

Your "argument" is flawed and beyond weak.

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[–] KinkyInk (1694) 2 years ago

"Except to make your twist on the analogy accurate the police would've viewed the actual robbery attempt!"

Good god you're an idiot.

There would be no 'robbery attempt' if the teller said she wasn't robbed.

The Democrats made that shit up. The promised they would impeach Trump the day after he was elected, and this was their way of fulfilling that promise. The only reason Trump was impeached was because the Democrats had the votes to impeach him. Period.

Of course, you Democrat ball-lickers just believe anything they tell you.

Police: "We got reports that a guy was here today. Did you see him?"
Bank Teller: "Yeah, he was here."
Police: "Someone told us they thought he was trying to rob the bank. Did he rob the bank?"
Bank Teller: "No, I can definitely say he didn't rob the bank."
Police: "Hmm, I think we're going to arrest and convict him for robbing the bank anyway."

That's you morons in a nutshell. Inventing a crime in order to impeach a President you've been losing your shit over ever since he was elected. Then you idiots called for his impeachment again after Mueller didn't find any evidence of collusion. Since that didn't work, you just made up shit to impeach him for.

“I think you read everything. I think you read text,” Zelensky said to the gathered reporters on Wednesday. “I’m sorry, but I don’t want to be involved to democratic, open elections of U.S.A. No, you heard that we had good phone call. It was normal, we spoke about many things. I think, and you read it, that nobody pushed me.”

That's Zelensky, saying point blank he wasn't pressured. That means the "fucking phone call" wasn't a crime, and neither was the "delay of the aid", Presidents make phone calls and delay aid all the time. And somehow they're not impeached.

You're an idiot.

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[–] nte1igentwon (936) 2 years ago

Keep saying it and maybe, just maybe, it might magically become true.

Your attempt to falsely recount what occurred is pathetic. There weren't just reports of the Orange One's extortion attempt. There's a fucking tape and Cheetolini's own admissions as he tried to justify his crime.

Respond if you like but I tire of engaging with a dishonest interlocutor and will be ignoring any further drivel that escapes your perpetually agape mouth being the mentally challenged mouth-breather MAGAt that you've shown yourself to be.

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[–] asom (6561) 2 years ago

Funny, simpletons calling others simpleminded.

"The Constitution grants Congress the sole power to declare war. "

Fuck off.

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[–] TrentnQuarantino (8699) 2 years ago

Who is it you are supposed to be quoting?
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Somehow in our self-righteous media when we shout loud enough - mass murder is OK when the US, UK and Western powers engage in it, and even when they pressure, poke, encroach and vilify a country and ultimately force them to respond. It's OK to ignore facts, and history, as long as you can get the villains to strike the first blow. I just watched "Ukraine On Fire" and there is a whole universe that is being repressed and ignored from the Russian point of view ... and we all have to be OK with that because Putin did such a horrendous thing.

But I am not sure how I am with the fact that the US spent billions of dollars and years to infiltrate the Ukrainian government putting a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer ( whose wife was a US State Dept officer ) in the Presidency of Ukraine who could not do the job and got voted out, then when the CIA could not find a better President they just staged a coup - very reminiscent of the Jan 5th storming of the US Capitol and forced him out without any rule of law of legal vote of impeachment, in fact who they tried and failed to assassinate.

Then they burned alive peaceful Russian protestors in Odessa. None of this is ever mentioned, and usually denied or shouted down with shouts of traitor or worse and threats of violence at the same time they are vilifying Putin with his repression of the Russian media.

Meanwhile they have everyone in the West contributing to this war, and paying for it inflicting pain and economic hardship on the whole West by oil sanctions. All to make war on Russia by economic sanctions and splitting Ukraine away - counting that Putin will sit by and watch this all happen to his country under his watch, and do nothing.

And unless the West means to get involved in a hot shooting and escalating to nuclear war ... they are willing to make a wasteland of Ukraine while they fight to the last Ukrainian.

Oliver Stone's "Ukraine On Fire" proved that there are indeed a lot of Nazis in West Ukraine who mean harm and intolerance to the Russian ethnic minority. Then they find this guy Zelensky, a media guy who is used to performing in front of people, a rich guy who owns three media companies, and who knows what heights Zelensky dreams about if he can gamble and pull this off ... with the pot being his countrymen and his country.

This is Hitlerian intrigue and insanity ... but seems like the facts indicate mostly from the Right Wing Western Powers and their money. If there is so much transparency and freedom that the West respects so much, why is the reality of what is going on hidden and lied about?

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[–] asom (6561) 2 years ago

The fact is: Trump cannot "take revenge" on Ukraine as president by starting a war, only congress can do that. Period. And any other ways would had been illegal as well.

Another fact is: Trump brought people home, Obama started wars. Surprise surprise, reality is not like you think it is.

Btw, who was president in 2014 when you say that USA has tumbled the Ukrainian government and spent billions? No, I don't think it was Trump, can you refresh my memory?

Let me spell it for you: you accuse a USA democrat government that they interfered in Ukraine and supported and installed a far-right, Nazi, government in Ukraine. And somehow it's the fault of the USA right wing. Ahem, makes sense.

And remind me: who's son have become a board member of a big Ukrainian company after the Maidan revolution? No, it wasn't Trump's son.

Btw: about the people burned alive in Odessa:

Then they burned alive peaceful Russian protestors in Odessa.

Propaganda and misinformation, as usually (on your part).

https://www.dw.com/en/the-odessa-file-what-happened-on-may-2-2014/a-18425200

"A soccer match is scheduled for May 2. Thousands of pro-Ukrainian fans, among them hooligans and normal citizens, move through the city. Suddenly they are attacked with rocks and clubs by pro-Russian activists. Shots are even fired. Sergey Dibrov says, "Activists at Kulikovo Square started using weapons." The first of a total of nearly 50 killed on this day is a pro-Ukrainian activist.

After the activist's death the situation escalates. The outnumbering pro-Ukrainian activists chase their opponents through the streets, all the way to Kulikovo Square.

I witnessed pro-Ukrainian activists being shot at from the Trade Unions House as they tried to rescue people from the burning building

As far as the fire in the Trade Unions House, there is neither evidence of arson nor chemical weapons use. The blaze began when a wooden barricade in the foyer caught fire while both sides lobbed Molotov cocktails. The flames spread quickly thanks to a draft causing a "stack effect." It is conspicuous that the authorities have confirmed the central theses of the independent investigative group."

https://www.haaretz.com/more-than-40-killed-in-odessa-1.5247053

"Waving the blue and yellow Ukrainian flag, wearing helmets and holding batons, thousands of Ukrainians took to the streets to march in support of the European path taken by Kiev. Some were supporters of the local football team, Chornomorets.

In an attack tinged with football rivalry, pro-Russian activists, many wearing the colours of team Metalist from the eastern Kharkiv region, waded into the crowd.
Police soon lost control. They said the trade union building was later set alight.
Dmytro Spivak, a local parliamentarian, told Ukrainian television that at least six young supporters of the authorities in Kiev had been killed in the fighting."

So apparently the attacks and killings have been started by the pro-Russian separatists - not so peaceful.

Funny, wasn't it supposed that the far right and trumpets are pro-Russian and pro-Putin?

Suddenly the leftists are pro-Putin (well, for me it's not quite a surprise)

And in case you forgot: https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-joe-biden-forced-ukraine-to-fire-prosecutor-for-aid-money/C1C51BB8-3988-4070-869F-CAD3CA0E81D8.html

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[–] TrentnQuarantino (8699) 2 years ago

Revenge by cutting military aid, as he threatened to.
You seem to be completely out of it and ignorant of events.
Talking authoritatively when you just reveal your ignorance is a strategy
I have not seem before, except on the Right ... doesn't seem to work.

> Btw: about the people burned alive in Odessa:

The video is in the documentary, as is witness testimony. You
only repeating Right-wing lies.

> you accuse a USA democrat government that they interfered in Ukraine and supported and installed a far-right, Nazi, government in Ukraine. And somehow it's the fault of the USA right wing. Ahem, makes sense.

Laugh while you can, monkeyboy, that is what happened.

Amazing that you have everything wrong.

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[–] asom (6561) 2 years ago

"Revenge by cutting military aid, as he threatened to."

You mean the reason he was impeached? Did I say "And any other ways would had been illegal as well."???
Boy you're an idiot ...

"The video is in the documentary, as is witness testimony. You only repeating Right-wing lies."

Can you link to the exact paragraph/minute/whatever when they say that?

No, I'm repeating facts, it's well known what happened at Odessa, but your side choses to ignore the facts, as usually. They never go over how it happened and they always present half the fact.

You're only repeating putin propaganda. And btw, as I already said: if the right wing supports putin why would they lie about it? And why the left wing put the Nazis in power? But still while the right wing lies about it!
You make no sense boy, as usuall.

"Laugh while you can, monkeyboy, that is what happened." - that's exactly why I'm laughing, at your ineptitude in choosing your idols ... when leftists that you support support Nazis and you still blame Trump and the right wing - it's 100% laughable ... boy you're dumb and you don't understand simple things.

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[–] TrentnQuarantino (8699) 2 years ago

> Boy you're an idiot ...

That is pretty much all you ever have to say, and then follow it up with BS that you know I will never read. Idiots communicate like you do.

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[–] asom (6561) 2 years ago

Well, at least you admit that you would never read facts and that you are only interested in propaganda and lies.

But we already know that so ...

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[–] TrentnQuarantino (8699) 2 years ago

Why do you say I am pro or con anything when all I am
doing is finding and putting out the facts? I think is is
because you don't want the facts to come out, and that
is why you lie about them.

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[–] asom (6561) 2 years ago

"Facts" hahaha.

You are presenting half truths (like you obviously forgot to mention that the separatists attacked first in Odessa) but you have an excuse, you only listed to one side of the story and to a certain propaganda.

What I posted are articles with real witnesses, in Ukraine in Fire there is NO witness about the 2 May episode in Odessa and it never mentions how it started. And the witness in the documentary clearly states that it was started by the russian separatist protesters.

And every article that presents how it started it states the same: the pro-russian forces started it. Period.

Here's the video, I have to do your homework too, dumb and incompetent boy ...
https://vimeo.com/685245201

Anyway:
https://emerging-europe.com/after-hours/winter-on-fire-when-ukraine-changed-forever/

I know you would think that these are lies, only your propaganda is the absolute truth, hahaha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Odessa_clashes#Events
https://cepa.org/russias-lie-machine-fans-flames-of-odessa-massacre/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27275383

"The violence erupted as fans marching before a football match were ambushed by pro-Russian activists, eyewitnesses say."

https://khpg.org/en/1407453894

And even an UN report:

http://ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/HRMMUReport15June2014.pdf

"The HRMMU observed an insufficient and inadequate police presence to manage and ensure security, and crowd control of the “United Ukraine” march towards the football stadium. The HRMMU noted that additional police officers arrived at the scene, but were unable to stop the violent confrontation.
At 3.15 p.m., the “Pro-Federalism Odesskaya Drujina”, “Narodnaya Drujina” and other activists approached the Sobornaya square and started to provoke the participants of the “United Ukraine” rally. Clashes arose and quickly turned into mass disorder, which lasted for several hours until 6.30 p.m. Police officers and supporters from both sides were injured during the afternoon. Six men were killed by gunshots fired by activists. "

Fucking moronic Russian bot ...

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[–] TrentnQuarantino (8699) 2 years ago

Just to let you know, you don't know what you are talking about, or you are just deliberately putting out lies. Watch the doc and comment on that, or shut up, this does not say what you think it says, but I'm not taking the time to explain it to you because you're a lying agent of BS, a sock-puppet troll.

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[–] asom (6561) 2 years ago

It says exactly what I think it says: the russian separatists were NOT "peaceful Russian protestors" since they started the conflict that led to the burning.

I know, you are one of those that call the BLM protests "peaceful" after they burn down 10 blocks ...

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[–] asom (6561) 2 years ago

Let me guess: you are as dumb as to believe that Belarus is not a Putin controlled puppet state.

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[–] BeaSouth (2845) 2 years ago

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[–] actionkamen (23176) 2 years ago

But it is true that Biden and his family has (crime) businesses in Ukraine. Everyone outside the US knows this.

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[–] asom (6561) 2 years ago

I guess that everyone in the US knows it as well. Some just chose to ignore it.

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

Ya the leader of a small weak nation relying on US training, weapons, political influence ect to stop the Russians invading at anytime is just going to throw the highly temperamental, vindictive petulant US leader under the bus and not agree?

do you live in fucking reality?

its telling the guy who is holding your arm to stop you falling off the cliff that you are going to rat on him

another dull wit post by a conservative on here who will throw out all logical thought and reality to score a point and push his script.

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[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

Maybe Trump pressured him into not saying he was not pressured.

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