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Historians: It turns out that Carter was right after all.


If we had followed Jimmy Carter's lead we would have been energy independent today and would have avoided two massively costly and illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. 9/11 would have never happened along with the plethora of constitution burning actions like the Patriot Act, the TSA, the Department of Homeland Security and the NSA spying program that Bush brought us.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2009/05/about-that-energy-independence-president-carter/17610/
Since 1973 the US has met 75 % of our new energy needs through energy efficiency, a profound change in economic productivity that has saved us money, pollution, and avoided environmental and political risk. He also ushered in a period of oil conservation that basically knocked the knees out of OPEC's oil prices from the early 80's to the late 90's, though another force keeping the oil prices low was the evolution of the international oil market. If we put presidential faces on household objects the way we put them on coins, we'd have Jimmy on our gas caps. Still, every president avoids doing what he did because they don't want "to end up like Jimmy Carter."

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/52030
It turns out that Carter was right after all.

He was right in seeking to raise the fleet auto mileage standard to 48 miles per gallon by 1995. (Even U.S. automakers admitted at the time that they could easily achieve 30 mph by 1985.)

Jimmy Carter was right in exhorting Americans to turn down their thermostats, even if he did look nerdy in a cardigan while urging us to do so.

In his July 1979 speech, he was right when he said, “I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 — never.” That worthy goal quickly went by the board.

He was right to encourage fuel conservation by proposing a 50-cents-per-gallon tax on gasoline and a fee on imported oil — in effect, a floor for fuel prices.

Invoking the pioneering spirit of the 1960s’ moon mission, he was right to recommend a tax on windfall oil profits to finance a crash program to develop affordable synthetic fuels.

Jimmy Carter was correct, too, in setting a goal of obtaining 20 percent of our energy from solar power by the year 2000.

We balked, and his energy program, which was new and demanding, shriveled up and died. When oil prices began declining in the 1980s, the justification for change vanished altogether. The Reagan administration junked the proposed 1995 mileage standard and the rest of the Carter agenda.

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I don't think it is as easy as all that, and the US has been in such a toxic trajectory for so long that I am not sure it would have even helped.

Those wars were to keep other countries from controlling the oil and the world economy for the most part. You can complain about the American Empire and the US being the policeman of the world, but if we had not done it and shown weakness the Russians or Chinese would move in. Look at what the Chinese are doing rattling their sabers about Taiwan and Japan.

Can you imagine how bad the Chinese would be today if the US had not done something in Southeast Asia? I hate to sound like I support the Viet Nam war, or the Iraq war, but they had legitimate purposes, even if the government lied to us about it.

A lot of people say a lot of things they never mean to see through, and Carter was like that ... just like other Presidents. Republicans hate FDR because he actually did something to put the country right, and they immediately worked to reverse that, and to hide the fact that they were reversing it. They have continually worked to kill Social Security and Medicare and year after year to work to kill Universal Health care ... because they need more sources of slave labor and profits to maintain their positions.

The Republican party is controlled by those who spend hundreds of millions in R&D towards manipulating people in their media in order to grab hundreds of billions and trillions to conytrol the country's future, and the way they do it is to make up stupid stuff like Qanon or TEA Party to manipulate people who never hear the truth of what is going on so they accept the most absurd lies.

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Also mind what was going on in the 70's. Americans never dreamed of anything like climate change, or global insect and environmental die off to the extent we see today. Only the Oil Companies had done the research and knew about that ... and yet we kept with the petroleum economy because that was what the rest of the world ran on and being #1 in oil production or control it was the only way to leverage our power throughout the world.

The public and private sectors in America have consistently gotten everything wrong to such an extent that no one can really even begin to believe it now. We are truly screwed thanks to the Right ... but, honestly the Left has just been a puppet of the right as a propaganda exercise to pretend that the US is a democracy and has an opposition party. We do not. The things that an overwhelming majority of Americans want and support never come to be.

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"Also mind what was going on in the 70's. Americans never dreamed of anything like climate change,"
WTF are you talking about it. Bill Mollison's Treatise on Permaculture talks all about it (blames it mostly on deforestation) however scientists were aware of the potential since at LEAST 1912. Here I'll post a newspaper clipping up for you.
https://i.postimg.cc/y8wZN4Nn/1912-Global-Warming.jpg

"The public and private sectors in America have consistently gotten everything wrong to such an extent that no one can really even begin to believe it now"

I don't think they got everything wrong. Specific examples?

" but, honestly the Left has just been a puppet of the right as a propaganda exercise to pretend that the US is a democracy"

Ah I don't subscribe to that bad cop good cop conspiracy. Sure people like Hillary were sketchy as hell cozying up to people of the likes of Kissinger. (she could not have been doing it out of ignorance) However, people on the True left like Bernie Sanders are no puppets.

" The things that an overwhelming majority of Americans want and support never come to be."

I disagree. The one thing both sides can agree on is we both believe government is corrupt. Both sides also opposed the 'Citizen's United' Supreme Court Ruling that allowed unlimited corporate and union donations into politics.

So there are a couple things the few good in the Right can agree with on the Left. There are some moral rightist out there. I think McCaine was one.



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> WTF are you talking about it. Bill Mollison's Treatise on Permaculture talks all about it

What are you two years old .... I am not talking about one or two obscure references. Your responses on this subject are really not worth reading or responding to.

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It was as easy as all that because Brazil did what Carter suggested and they got completely off foreign oil. Most their cars run ethanol from sugar cane and have done for 20 years.

"Those wars were to keep other countries from controlling the oil and the world economy for the most part."
Well...Iraq wanted to sell their oil in Euros. The Iraq war wasn't a failure. The intention of the Bush Administration was to destabilize the region which is why we have had high prices since.

"Can you imagine how bad the Chinese would be today if the US had not done something in Southeast Asia?"
WTF are you talking about? The Chinese are bad. Because of what we DIDN'T Do after WWII they became communist and gobbled up Tibet. Are you kidding about South east Asia? We lost Vietnam. That's one thing they don't teach in High schools. Vietnam is communist to this day. China has nothing to do with them. But what is happening if you've been paying attention is because of the centuries of abuse from the West the Chinese are starting to cozy up with not just the Taliban (you read that in the news recently right?) but also the African nations, and get this, Polynesia. France's Macron had to make a public apology for their nuclear program in Tahiti but they want more than that. Some day. Hawaii might even be allied with China because of the idiotic foreign policy the western nations have had for centuries.

" Republicans hate FDR because he actually did something to put the country right"
They're just bad people and they can't stand when good people do good things. I've made my mind up about that now. Everything Republicans do is bad. Sounds simplistic but just look at their record.

"The Republican party is controlled by those who spend hundreds of millions in R&D towards manipulating people in their media in order to grab hundreds of billions and trillions to conytrol the country's future,"

That's about right.

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Brazil has been cutting down the Amazon to make steak and gasoline ... not a legacy I think Jimmy Carter would cop to ... and your ideas on this matter really suck ... or blow stupidity.

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Jimmy Carter was the president every battered nation claims to want but instead chooses the bad boy that knocks them up, cleans out their savings, and then runs off with another woman.

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public buildings were very cold in winter when Carter was president. Not a fan at all.

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No they weren't. I recall going to the thanksgiving day parade and going to warming stations in them after walking through the slush.

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Wow, an entire thread with almost nothing but delusion.

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