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Okay, Hollywood and Broadway has gone too far now.


I thought this was a joke when I saw this photo.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZqHNzDQBPuQ/maxresdefault.jpg

I was proven wrong when I did the research and saw the video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqHNzDQBPuQ

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Why do they keep adapting the same Shakespeare plays? They ought to film his sillier action packed ones. Richard III is boring. And yeah, this casting is crazy.

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Broadway often likes to revive the same plays over and over. They even have a Tony award for best revival. But I guess this casting was their attempt to try something different with old material.

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What's the problem with it? Theater is an expressionistic artform, and it's not as if anyone is saying 'Richard the Third was actually a Black man.'

I suppose one could argue that there is a double-standard, since casting a white man as Othello would be frowned upon *these* days, but that's largely because Othello is a character defined by his race (Richard III isn't, although I suspect one day disability rights campaigners will, reasonably, argue that Richard III should only be played by a hunchback), and Blackface has a particularly pernicious history (that said, I doubt any white actor would play Othello in *Blackface* if given the chance to play the Moor).

Like I say, there's a BIG difference between expressionistic plays like this and Hamilton, and 'documentaries'/docudramas that erroneously claim that a historical figure belonged to a different race to the one most/all historians agree they belonged to.

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I think there's a problem with doing this to someone who is dead and can't give approval.

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Eh?

Richard III, the play, is already a hit-piece on the real king. I doubt the real king would give his full approval to the play. Being played by a Black woman is the least of the issues (which is not to decry the play, which is brilliant, but simply to say that it isn't a fair portrayal of the actual man).

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You can have a hit piece as long as it's factually correct. But they're one step away from making Richard III a talking dinosaur.

Actually, maybe that I'd watch.

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There are people, and even a society, that dispute the way Richard III is portrayed in the play and the negative reputation he has: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardian_(Richard_III)

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There's quite a long history of women playing the male roles in Shakespeare by this point. I remember Helen Mirren as Prospera (Prospero). Glenda Jackson has played Lear. There are other examples too that don't immediately spring to mind.

And the RSC seems to be doing quite a lot of this kind of thing at the moment, although mostly with secondary characters such as Mercutio.

Shakespeare himself would be utterly shocked though. Women weren't allowed in Elizabethan/Jacobean theatres. So all the roles were played by men.

So maybe in another couple of hundred years it will have all balanced out.

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I get that, but women are now allowed to watch and act in plays. It just seems ridiculous to change both the sex and gender of a real life person just for the sake of it in today's era.

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I dunno. I've seen people do weirder things with Shakespeare than swap the genders of characters. I think it's interesting to reinterpret this stuff, give some overly-familiar material some new angles, play with our preconceived notions, find new insights into the text.

As long as no-one's rewriting the text books and trying to tell me 'new research indicates Ol' Crookback was really a woman', I'm fine with it. It's theatre. It's art, not history.

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Fair enough, but I find "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter" a weird choice.

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Ha ha. Also fair enough.

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Honey, theater is a for-profit enterprise... at least it's intended to be!

If people will pay to see her in the role, it's their money.

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I doubt they'll pay. Most people don't like the race swapping thing and they also gender swapped it.

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Danai Gurira is a brilliant actor. I see that the production actually took place last year, so I don't know if anyone else will now get a chance to pay to see it live, but I can certainly see the appeal, particularly for Shakespeare/theater buffs (I'm a fan of Shakespeare/the theater, but not a die-hard devotee).

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how much live theater do you see?

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Theater? As in movie theater? Cause I know no one goes to the other kind.

Signed, million man.

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live

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I do. That's why I avoid that shit.

Signed, million man.

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Do you even know me?

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the left has gone full retard, never go full retard...

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Democrat*

There's nothing "left-winged" about this corporatism bullshit. They know you can't legislate kindness, and to distract from Amazon (and many other companies) with all the things left-wingers are against (child labor, exploitation) and to then cheer Bezos because he posted #metoo

This is all business. Just like the media, which has a financial bias. Trump was just on CNN. Quid Pro Quo.

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I agree with the general ethos of your post, about the hypocrisy of the establishment 'left' (e.g. the DNC), but I'm not sure what it has to do with this production.

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