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Plot hole or not a plot hole, that is the question...


The word “Plot Hole” seem to be thrown around quite a bit and most often, misused or downright misunderstood.

A "Plot Hole" is when something contradicts the rules of that particular story, or when something is impossible in that particular universe where this story unfolds.

It is not some stupid decision by a character or just dumb events. Those makes perhaps lazy writing, but not actual Plot Holes. Examples like; “why doesn’t she just go upstairs and get that gun we saw earlier”, or “why does she run to the car, when we know the other guy has the key”… all good points, but they can easily be explained by a stupid or stressed out character who simply forgot. It is not illogical and impossible events or actions and so not Plot Holes.

The key word here, I believe, is that if it is something that is impossible, or something that just could not be - then we have a potential Plot Hole. If the question is like, “why didn’t they just…”, then we usually have no Plot Hole
True Plot Holes are not that easy to find.

One way to define a Plot Hole is to ask these two questions:

1: Does the questioned event or statement contradict earlier events or statements in the story?

2: Is the questioned event or statement logically impossible in this story or universe?

If “YES” to one of the two questions, then we have a potential Plot Hole. If “YES” to both these two questions, and we have a definite Plot Hole.

Often when I read a TOP TEN list on the biggest Plot Holes in movies, about 80% of the listed are not real Plot Holes.

Allow me to list some famous examples:

1: “Citizen Kane”(1941), when he dies, he utters out his last word; “Rosebud”. This sparks a search by a reporter to find the meaning of the word. The Plot Hole is that Kane was alone, when he died. No one heard it. At first notice, it contradicts what is essentially shown, and so is a YES to the first question and becomes a potential Plot Hole. However, one could argue that his butler heard it… it is not explained in the movie who heard him say this and so it does not go against question 2 in principle. I say, it is only a potential Plot Hole. Not as clear cut, as many say.

2: “The Matrix” (1999). Cypher makes a deal with Agent Smith while he is secretly connected to the Matrix. It is established in the movie that one require an operator to be connected and so are all other connections shown in all the three movies. Therefor the answer is “YES” to question 1. It is a potential Plot Hole. Of course, it is not necessarily a “YES” to question 2 as it can be explained simply by Cypher having a timer he invented for this reason or whatever. I say it is a Plot Hole because it goes against what is specifically explained and shown in all three movies. Could have been fixed easily.

3: “Minority Report” (2002), after the hero is imprisoned his wife frees him with his old eyes, as they can gain her access to the facility. Since he is then a criminal, his security clearance would have been deleted. Although a popular stated Plot Hole, it is not. The answer is NO to both questions. Indeed, his credentials should have been blocked but evidently, they were not. What should have been done, does not necessary tell us anything of what is possible. Can be attributed to ether lazy writing, or lazy security. But not an impossibility and nor does it go against earlier events or statements. In fact, earlier events support it. And besides, no one knew of his eye operation except him (and his wife). Unlikely as that is, it is not impossible and so NOT a Plot Hole. The answer is NO to both questions.

4: “Batman Begins” (2005), the villain’s plan was to infect the water supply with a toxin that is activated only when water is heated to become gas or fog so it can be inhaled. However, no effects are reported except in the end when he drives around on a huge microwave emitter. Logically, bathing and cooking etc. should have spiked the city for weeks up until the final showdown. So this is a YES to question 2 and also question 1. A Plot Hole.

5: “X-Men Origins: Wolverine” (2009), Silverfox can will any man to do whatever by simple touch. So why does she not simply touch Major Stryker and command him to release her captured sister? This is indeed a risk Stryker takes and we can assume he has done all the precautions he can think off. He is after all an expert in handling mutants. Fact is, that she never touches him and we can assume he is aware of the risk and keeps her at arm’s length always, except in the end. So even though, it could have fixed her predicament sooner, it does not constitute as a Plot Hole. The answer is NO to both questions.

My point is just that finding Plot Holes are not easy.

Do you have any you wish to throw to the test :) ?

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6: “The Karate Kid” (1984), our hero wins the tournament with a face kick which was previously informed to disqualify any contestant. This victory surely speaks YES to question 1. So we have a potential Plot Hole indeed. If the answer also is YES to question 2 is however no so clear. It is not impossible to imagine tournaments winning unfairly. This however speaks against the movie and the whole message etc. so imo it is fair to say the answer also is YES to question 2. It is Plot Hole. The movie makers must have forgotten that even though is it a badass kick, it would very very unlikely win him the tournament.

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Resident evil the final chapter.

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Enlighten me. Which events or statements were logically impossible in its story or universe?

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Ok...how the hell...sorry for my language...Claire knows about the red queen and she doesn't mention her brother,Chris not for one second.And that big battle for washington where suposedly wesker betrayed Alice...it's never shown on screen,not even an explanation for what hapened with Ada,Jill and Leon...nothing.

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... but impossible ? Very stange and generally reeks of lazy writing and movie production. But not impossible. Just really odd. To be fair I cannot remember it very well so I possibly just dont recall how it actually was. I do remember though it is a W T F did I just watch kind of thing...

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...oh and if Alice sacrificed her self,how the hell she survived after she release the anti - virus...the red queen explanation is very lame...godamn sony...sorry.

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yeah, but you are still just mentioning stupid or lame shite. Not impossible events and so not plot holes. Sort of my point with my OP.

But again, I cannot remember Final Chapter very well, and I would be surprised if there were not actual plot holes in that mess... but so far, lame expositions or unlikely character behavior does not make holes in the plot.

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I don't think The Matrix one is a plot hole, for the very reason you mentioned. I don't recall anyone specifically stating that an operator must be there and couldn't be replaced with an automated program. It's probably not ideal just for for safety reasons.

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Fair points. I agree.

And beside we cannot expect to be told how every little thing works in any given universe or movie. If we see something happens it simply means this is possible. The event itself is proof of that. Of course to a degree, but if not against question 2 it cannot be called a plot hole. And you explained why it is not really YES to question 2. It can perhaps be critiqued for lack of proper exposition... but that does not make it a hole.

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In Prometheus we see two `Engineers` run into a room with a third behind them being decapitated via a door sliding down upon them in holographic playback.

It is stated that the door has been sealed shut since then, approximately 2000 before. Once the door is opened we are told that the chamber beyond is completely enclosed. Where did the other two bodies go?

Ridley Scott apparently says on a commentary track that they might have ducked out via a trapdoor or something but is that a valid excuse to your mind?

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Good observation and a great example on why it can be hard to find those seemingly popular plot holes.

If we look at my OP, I ask two questions.

“1: Does the questioned event or statement contradict earlier events or statements in the story?”
* The answer is YES just as you put it and so demands further contemplation. A red flag indeed.

“2: Is the questioned event or statement logically impossible in this story or universe?”
* No, this would be unfair to say with confidence. Circumstances would say two bodies should be found. But also, as you say, 2 000 years had passed and who is to say what aspired? Evidence shows no apparent traces of them, so logically either they are gone somehow, or the traces are not so apparent (perhaps they are still there). Like Ridley we too can speculate. It is not unimaginable that in this case perhaps they were liquefied or otherwise "consumed" by the black goo. Trap door seem like a cop out though, but who is to say? Indeed we are told that the chamber is completely enclosed. But how do we or they really know this is the fact? Or perhaps it was completely enclosed after the two escaping Engineers left through some other door? Perhaps they went into this room because they knew they could get out leaving whatever they ran from behind the sealed door. Evidence shows they went in, and apparent evidence shows they are not to be found. Annoying lack of detail, but not impossible.

My verdict is that it is no plot hole as it is not an impossible scenario that they are gone somehow or perhaps there remains were just not found by the humans – they were not really looking for them either, as I remember. But it surely smells of lazy script writing.

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I concur

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