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Innocent man was given 400-year prison sentence based on one eyewitness


Nothing can go wrong with that.

The innocent man served 34-years in prison before being exonerated. Nothing tied him to the armed robbery except a guy saying he drove the getaway car. His car didn't match. No evidence, No link.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sidney-holmes-exonerated-400-year-sentence-florida/?intcid=CNI-00-10aaa3b

It's disgusting how many innocent people are in prison. Our criminal justice system is F-ed up! Pardon my French.

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I'm not convinced that he didn't commit the crime BUT a 400-year-sentence seems ridiculous. The decision to exonerate him was not unanimous and I would have voted NO! I'm surprised they didn't allow him to get out on good behavior. My somewhat reliable internet sleuthing skills indicate that the typical armed robbery sentence is thirty years.

The criminal justice system protects US citizens from criminals. LOCK THEM UP!

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Broward county won't kill a felon but lock him up forever though. That place is just like Chicago as being democrat run and do things crooked.

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You mean the criminal justice system repeatedly locks up innocent people while the real criminals remain free to commit more crime.

Technically, he was charged with only driving the car. Your sleuthing skills need to sleuth once again.

"I would have voted NO!"

Based on what? No fingerprints. No link to the criminals. Different car.

The eyewitness, the victim, saw a similar car three weeks later. That's the entire case! The eyewitness said the trunk lock was missing, but Holmes trunk lock was intact. The driver was described as short and heavy whereas Holmes is tall, 6 feet, and 183 lbs.

The prosecutor wanted him to receive 800 years for not revealing the robbers who were never caught. Of course, he couldn't since he was innocent.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/news-why-sidney-holmes-arrested-man-serving-400-year-sentence-florida-exonerated-34-years

If you would still vote to keep him in prison, I would like to know the reason. I wouldn't have found him guilty because of the many contradictions and lack of evidence.

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NO! The criminal justice system protects US citizens from criminals. LOCK THEM UP!

I don't see a difference between driving the getaway car and sticking the gun in somebody's face. I was told not to hang out with criminals since I would be GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION.

The trunk lock could have been fixed over the three week period so it could have been the same car. The victim identified the man as the getaway driver and that is significant. Some people might consider 6' 183# to be short and heavy.

There was not enough evidence to exonerate the man but I think that he served enough time. A commutation would have been appropriate but I do not agree with exonerations after several decades have passed.

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"protects US citizens"
No, it didn't. The three criminals remain free while an innocent guy went to prison.

"lock could have been fixed"
Wow! That's easy to verify. You can look at a lock and tell if its new. Also, check store sale records and auto repairs. The victim was never shown the car which was the only did he could identify.

No one considers 6 feet to be short. The victim said the driver was shorter than him whereas Holmes is much taller.

The eyewitness failed to identify Holmes during the line-up the first time and a few other times. They repeatedly put Holmes in a line-up until he was identified. Victim also said he wasn't sure and Holmes could've been the armed robber or driver. But, both victims said the gunmen were light whereas Holmes is very dark.

UPDATE: The victim's brother went driving around looking for the car which was a very popular model and color at the time. He identified the car even though the lock was intact.

Seriously, Holmes had a shitty lawyer! (Public defender who also made a major error during closing argument.) And the prosecutors and detectives were retarded.

Holmes also had an alibi with multiple witnesses. He was at his parents home celebrating Father's Day after church.

The two victims said they wanted Holmes freed. The female said she wished the police found the two robbers and the man said he served a long time and needs to be out.

There was never any evidence. That's the problem.
https://browardsao.com/conviction-review-unit-second-exoneration/

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I remain unconvinced of his innocence. Also, there may have only been TWO criminals involved in the robbery.

The victim's brother thought the lock had been fixed. There is a used parts market and repairs can be done off the books. There also weren't as many computers
back in '88 so many operations were still keeping records manually. The victim's brother stated that the lock appeared to have been fixed.

The victim never got out of the car so it's unclear how the victim determined the height. Some people have long necks/legs so it's hard to determine the height of
someone sitting down.

The perpetrator was identified by the victim and that's good enough for me. I care about the rights of the VICTIM while you care about the rights of CRIMINALS.
The victim failed to identify the perp during a review of 250 photos of criminals and the initial photo lineup of 6 criminals. The victim then identified the perp in a lineup of six photos of criminals, a physical lineup of six criminals and the victim also identified the criminal IN COURT.

The victim's brother drove around and looked for the car because he thought he was robbed by the same group of criminals.

I do agree that a commutation would have been okay since thirty years is a long time even for robbery. I don't agree with an exoneration since that opens up the municipality to some sort of lawsuit for wrongful imprisonment. I do support exonerations when new evidence is introduced but I don't agree with these units that review old cases and look for any reason to free the criminal. A lot of resources are expended to convict a person and it's a waste of resources to needlessly re-investigate and undo a conviction.

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WTF? That's like saying you don't see the difference between someone patting you on the butt and rape. Things have degree. Please don't be a distinction denier.

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I was arguing guilt by association and most people in the US are aware of this concept. I've never heard of a distinction denier and I don't believe it's a legal concept espoused by many.

The perp was the driver and he pulled up in his car behind the car of the two victims and he allowed the two robbers to get out of the car and point their guns at the victims. The perp witnessed the crime and transported the two robbers to the scene of the crime.

I don't see a distinction between the driver who transported the two robbers to the scene and watched the crime unfold. The two robbers initially wanted cash but they took the vehicle when the victims denied having cash. The driver would be an accomplice to the crime and some states do not recognize a distinction between an accomplice and a perpetrator. There are conspiracy laws that target an entire group who commit a crime. Finally, many states require a citizen to report a crime to authorities if they witness a crime and are aware of the identities of the perpetrators.

GUILT BY ASSOCIATION

https://www.gddlaw.com/2019/12/18/examples-guilt-association/

GETAWAY DRIVERS CHARGED - NO DISTINCTION

https://www.criminalattorneyfortworthtx.com/act-as-a-getaway-driver-for-a-texas-robbery-and-you-can-be-charged/

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ks/pr/getaway-driver-serve-prison-time-robbery

FAILURE TO REPORT A CRIME

https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/criminal/criminal-law-basics/reporting-crimes-witnessing-ignoring-falsely-reporting-and-lying.html#:~:text=Mandatory%20reporters%27%20duties%20are%20often,been%20prevented%20by%20the%20report.

https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/failure-to-report-a-crime.html#:~:text=In%20most%20states%20failure%20to,of%20crimes%20to%20the%20authorities.

CONSPIRACY LAWS

https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/inchoate-crimes/conspiracy/

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Broward county is just as democrat as Chicago and the police and court just as crooked.

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Please don't make this about politics. The entire police system and criminal justice system nationwide is broken. I get sick every time I hear about one of these cases.

I read more about this case. The victim saw a similar car three weeks later so Holmes was arrested because he drove a similar car. That's it! There were also obvious differences like a broken lock on the getaway car whereas Holmes' car lock was intact. The driver was described as short whereas Holmes is 6 feet.

If you watch the video, Holmes looks like a gentle guy.

The prosecutor wanted to give him 800 years because he wouldn't name the robbers. But, of course, he didn't know them since he was innocent.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/news-why-sidney-holmes-arrested-man-serving-400-year-sentence-florida-exonerated-34-years

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30 plus years ago the Democrat party was the Klan.Yes they had no problem with locking up black people in there controlled towns back then.

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The face of Broward county and just as crooked.
https://wassermanschultz.house.gov/

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There are things that you and I are going to disagree on and there are things we are going to agree on and this is one of them.
My comments:
34 years behind bars is just way too fucking long for an innocent man.
Heck, even just one minute is way too long.

Figures that they put an innocent black man in jail.
I have no doubt that race and/or class played a part in this.

I don't get it why cops and DA KNOWINGLY will put innocents in prison while letting the criminals be free and not getting the real bad guys.

There NEEDS to be penalties in place RIGHT THE F NOW for cops and DA when they do this.
Like losing their jobs that they can never get anywhere else again.
They have to give up 10 years of their salaries if the guilty are found innocent.
Etc etc.
This would prevent them from ever locking up innocents again or at least making them think twice of doing it.

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There wasn't any new evidence introduced so the man was never proven innocent. The decision by the review panel was not unanimous. The criminal was identified by the victim on multiple occasions. The review panel also determined that the cops involved with the case were not at fault.

I don't object to him being released after thirty years BUT his innocence was never proven.

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Even IF he had done it, 30 years is way the F too long for just a getaway driver of a robbery where prob. no one was killed.
Was anyone even hurt or tied up?
Three to five would have been more reasonable.
I have no doubt his race and class played a part in him being found guilty and the long sentence, which is more appropriate for murder.

What do you think of the boxer nicknamed The Hurricane?
Some say innocent and others place him at the crime scene.

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I don't have any sympathy for members of criminal gangs so I'm not sure if 30 years is too long of a sentence. Nobody was hurt they BUT they easily could have been. I think three to five years would have been too low BUT I might be a cruel SOB.

I wasn't familiar with the Hurricane case before your question but I did look it over. I think he's guilty based on his criminal history and the evidence. The graphicwitness site had some good info BUT I'm not sure how reliable that site is.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-6588693/Rubin-Hurricane-Carter-twice-convicted-murder-really-killer.html

https://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/topfacts.html

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You aren't supposed to prove someone innocent in America you are innocent until proven GUILTY.

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He was proven guilty thirty-five years ago. My position is that a person must be proven innocent with new information in order to overturn a previous conviction. The review panel did not consider any new information for this case and their decision was not unanimous.

The criminal was innocent until proven guilty in the first trial. The victim identified the criminal as the getaway driver.

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It's abhorrent, if true. Cognitive bias and/or corruption are always involved in these types of situations where justice goes awry, and it happens far too frequently. I do videography as a side job and frequently do work for a local P.I. who started KC Freedom Project for the case of Keith Carnes (she works on other similar cases, but that's the one that put her on that path), who was recently released from prison after 18 years. Walking through all the evidence, one key testimony was obviously tainted, and there were several instances of blatantly contradictory physical evidence, along with subsequent attempts to cover up screw-ups and uphold the false narrative (even by destroying some of the initial findings documented by a cop that wasn't corrupted). The confirmation bias fueling the perpetuation of initial erroneous preconceptions by the prosecutor and several cops was obvious and appalling, and led to a conviction merely to save face.

Coincidentally, two days ago the below video dropped with skeptic Michael Shermer talking with Amanda Knox about her wrongful conviction and other similar situations and studies on the matter. I recommend anyone interested in such things watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaS8tNmV50s

Cognitive bias applies not only to the wrongfully convicted, but to every aspect of our lives, and is in fact the root of most modern societal problems and social movements, especially the tribalistic divisiveness of today. Which is why we should all strive to:
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Never believe. Always question. Rebuke belief, a.k.a. bias, a.k.a. groupthink, a.k.a. ideology, the bane of skeptical, logical reason.

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You are bringing up other cases. Each case is totally different and has a separate set of facts and circumstances. I approve of exonerations when new evidence is introduced but new evidence was not introduced in the Holmes case.

Carnes was not exonerated. The charges against him were dropped and a decision was made to not try him again. There were three witnesses who testified against him. The guy was a drug dealer and he was there when it all went down. Let's all rejoice that a drug dealer is now free to distribute drugs that kill people and destroy communities. Let's hope he gets his life back on track but I wouldn't be surprised if he is back on the streets.

https://www.kmbc.com/article/keith-carnes-released-from-prison/39691309#

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Don't disagree. And to your point, KC Freedom has dropped several cases they were called to look into because the case against the convicted held up to scrutiny (one of them due to my work with gas station surveillance footage that had wonky timestamp issues confirming who shot first). Pleading innocence is of course quite common among the guilty, so organizations of that type have to be careful. Sometimes, if not often, advocates can get too overzealous and suffer from their own bias, so it goes both ways.

Yes, specifically in Carne's case, he was a drug dealer, and he was on the premises at the drug house they sold out of. But he did not chase the victim down the street with a MAK-90 and shoot him in the parking lot of the fish restaurant. The shell casings were in the entirely wrong area from where they'd needed to be if the primary testimony was accurate, and testimony that contradicted that story and fingered the real shooter was ignored. Several documents that countered the narrative (e.g. shell casing locations), as well as pointed to the real perpetrator, mysteriously disappeared (I don't think this was ever reported on). Fortunately, backups were found. One of those who testified was high on cocaine and easily influenced, later saying she was threatened into testifying against Carnes, and both later recanted their testimony (which I shot on video). The entire affair was a mess from the get-go.

With a quick search I found the below URL, which provides some pretty in-depth details:
https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/casedetail.aspx?caseid=6223

Carnes turned his life around during his time in prison, in part due to KC Freedom Project helping him down a path of redemption. He recently got married and is now himself doing work with both KC Freedom Project and the Innocence Project, along with some charity work. Only time will tell if that sticks, of course. Back then he wasn't a good guy, but he also wasn't a murderer. I know Carnes personally, by the way. I met him several times, interviewed him in prison, and have stayed in touch on Facebook.

While I'm still skeptical of the Sidney Holmes situation, what I agree with keelai on is that there are far too many cases of wrongfully convicted. The system is broken, too easily allowing corruption and bias to overshadow common sense, logic and evidence. And the scope of the problem extends far outside of just the wrongly convicted. It's infected every aspect of civilized society, with cognitive bias becoming a fundamental component of most people's mindsets and worldviews, sometimes with religious-like fervor.
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Never believe. Always question. Rebuke belief, a.k.a. bias, a.k.a. groupthink, a.k.a. ideology, the bane of skeptical, logical reason.

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