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<blockquote>it was about fantasy moments by players and it can't happen today</blockquote>
Can't? Serously Can't happen today.
Well Croatia had a magical moment beating Brazil and so then negates everything you said and ends the conversation.
Magical moments are not a predermined set of things that need to happen.
<blockquote>To stick on Cantona for a moment, he's someone who arguably would not survive in todays game and others also </blockquote>
Sp players in the 90's are not better than today then. Wasn't the point of your whole arguement
<blockquote>A lot will argue it is way better this way but in my personal humble opinion i prefered the more primitive yesteryear boys where genuis moments were more common</blockquote>
So you prefer something slower, less quality and generally poorer. Got it
Have a good one
<blockquote>You are either completely missing the point or are deliberately being argumentative</blockquote>
Nope just proving you wrong and quite enjoying it tbh.
<blockquote>I know 433 is not a new thing but if you haven't recognized that post 2003 Mourinho's Chelsea all the crap teams adopted it as a way to spoil games</blockquote>
<blockquote>When everyone started to use 433 with the Defensive sitting mid it has basically taken the openness out of the game and there much less space now</blockquote>
So which is it. It's new or been around a while. 433 to spoil games? Hmmm. Man City and Liverpool both play 433. Those 2 teams score more and concede less than everyone and also have the highest points totals in Premier League history.
So how does it spoil things?
<blockquote>Then Fergie was forced into it as late as 07 to compete with Barca and since then basically everyone uses it now, so the 10 Doesn' exist in the same way anymore, that's fact.</blockquote>
What absolute and complete nonsense. Where do you get your info from. There is a great interview with Gary Neville in his time at Man Utd. You know under Fergie. They played 442 for a long time, a very long time and then changed to 4231 which utilises a number 10 when they bought Nistleroy to accomodate him. Please don't try and point things out that didn't exist and didn't happen. There are an adundance of teams that prefer 4231 and the number 10 in every league in the world. Your statemnts are becoming laughable. My hometown team plays 4231. Again where do you get your info from.
<blockquote>And have you been in a coma for 10 years and not noticed most Prem teams are now owned by yanks and they have influenced many of the changes we have seen live VAR and the diabolical refereeing laws we have in place now</blockquote>
8 teams are american owned and 2 are trying to sell. The American owners haven't influenced anything. VAR was done in Holland under the Referee 2.0 project to introduce a video assisted ref around 2010.
Do you want to carry on this pointless attempt or shall we end it here. I really don't mind embarassing you further.
<blockquote>That is also just an opinion</blockquote>
No it isn't you can statistically track speed of players, how far they have run, how many runs, the distance they run and so on. YOu think thsoe black bras under there shirts are for support? hmmm
<blockquote>my point is that i think we have less 'magical moments</blockquote>
Then I refer you back to my original point "You don't watch enough". Also a magical moment is to broad a term. Just saw Holland equalise in the 100th min, that was a magical moment.
<blockquote>Players were given basic instructions before and it was up to them to conjure something up</blockquote>
So you are complaining coaches and training methods are better today. The players still have to do it on the pitch. That hasn't changed.
<blockquote>Now days the super stars flatter to deceive in the clutch moments</blockquote>
Apart from the ones that don't.
Also clutch? Really.
<blockquote>yes this is my point, its low risk repetitive structured play</blockquote>
You mean better as it results in more goals. If it is so easy then why does not every team just do it.
<blockquote>When everyone started to use 433 with the Defensive sitting mid</blockquote>
You mean the tactic for 433 that has been used since its inception. TEams in the 60's used that. It isn't anything new.
<blockquote>Before you had a magic man roaming around making things happen but they are almost extinct now </blockquote>
Except the number 10 on the field that does exactly that job. Do you actually watch any or just say you do. Me thinks you don't.
<blockquote>It's getting more and more like NFL every year little by little</blockquote>
So an America trying to argue with an Englishman about football. Please bring it on.
Everything you wrote is your opinion and based on nothing but I will indulge.
Kane will beat Shearer's premier league record as long as he doesn't have some horrible injury and will beat Rooneys England record which is also more than Shearer. So yes he is better.
Mbappe is 23 and Henry is retired. Mbappe hasn't played in the Premier League so league goals mean nothing. Henry has 51 goals in 123 games with 1 world cup win. Mbappe will beat his record with games to spare and also has 1 world cup win and has at least 3 left in him so yes he is better.
Same can be said for Neymar
Bergkamp i'll give you. Man was a genius
Martinez/Batistuta. Odd one. Why not Messi? Me thinks because you know he is better and so negates your arguement.
And I can't be bothered carrying on as it's pointless. All you did was randomly pick names and put them up against more randomly picked names. You could change it to anyone still doesn't prove anything.
The game today is faster, technically more impressive and overall the players are just better. They are. They run nearly a half marathon every game. Teams today would annihilate teams of the 90's. In the 90's they used to say they were better in the 60's which was also false. in 30 years they will say the players of today are better than then and so on.
Your entire arguement is opinion based. Fine, you are free to have it but don't make factual statements based off your opinion.
<blockquote>Who else you got</blockquote>
I didn't ask for any names so I don't have to provide any. You went down that rabbit hole so enjoy.
<blockquote>How often do we see true spontaneity, mazy dribbles or long range efforts</blockquote>
If you did infact watch them as you say you would know they happen every week in every league
<blockquote>the general standard of play is much better now but it's come at the price of outstanding individual brilliance</blockquote>
Opinion based and completely untrue
<blockquote>And the best players today aren't in the same league as the 90's stars</blockquote>
I know they are better
Tournament football is not the same as regular league football
If you think it peaked 15 eyars ago you don't watch enough
Underworld was onto its 4th film when hunger games was released.
add in;
Doomsday (2008)
All the Resident Evil films
Wanted (2008)
Death Proof (2007)
A said above the Underworlds
House of Flying Daggers (2004)
Lady Vengeance (2005)
Kill Bill 1 and 2
Tomb Raider 1 and 2
Those off the top of my head
It is complete nonsense to think there weren't any. Complete nonsense
<blockquote>And that is almost 100% a fact</blockquote>
That statement doesn't make any sense. A fact is a fact, not slightly a fact or partly a fact.
The character doesn't cease to exist after this movie at all.
Indiana jones can be recast and will eventually be recast but to be Indiana Jones then it needs to be a man as Indiana Jones is a man not a woman. You make it a woman it is just a female archeaologist but that doesn't make her Indiana Jones.
So I come back to my original point.
<blockquote>Then it ceases to be Indiana Jones and becomes a completely new character running on the coattails of what came before.</blockquote>
<blockquote>And I wouldn't mind indy being replaced by a woman</blockquote>
Then it ceases to be Indiana Jones and becomes a completely new character running on the coattails of what came before.
<blockquote>You didn't address my main point of lack of precision</blockquote>
Due to you not actually asking me. Plus that is an observation based on your opinion and your opinion only.
<blockquote>You're trying to reduce American's reluctance to embrace soccer to a single factor - scoring</blockquote>
Due to being the only arguement that keeps reappearing. That is lack of goals. It is the same arguement used over and over. You just decided to for some reason add precision which means what exactly. American sports use there hands and there precision is lacking as well. Overthrown balls in Gridiron, missed pitches and catches in baseball and missed shots in basketball. That is skill of the sport not the bodily anotomy on question.
More goals in football wouldn't make it better it would make it worse. Goals are meant to be difficult to achieve. So when one is scored it means something. Scoring another point on top of the already 80 plus points is meaningless.
well done that makes 5 out of 195 countries worldwide
<blockquote>Lack of scoring is certainly part of it</blockquote>
Only Americans think it is no one else in the world does. So again all you seem to care about is points on the board. IF a basketball game is 90-90 after 46 mins it might as well be 0-0 as only the last 2 mins will mean anything
<blockquote>It was torture to attend the soccer games. </blockquote>
So you don't like it. Ok. But the original quesiton was "who gives a crap". Well everyone in the world outisde of North America and maybe Canada do. You know football is the most played, watched and supported sport on the planet.
<blockquote>Not enough scoring</blockquote>
Same arguement used all the time.
So literally Americans don't care about anythng other than points on the board?
What enjoyment is there of 2 teams scoring points constantly.
<blockquote>Just keep playing dammit</blockquote>
For how long? Penalty kicks can be more exciting the actual game sometimes especailly for a nuetral.
<blockquote>I don't like soccer because IMO it too often doesn't deliver the result "the better team won."</blockquote>
And that is why it is the best sport in the world that on any given day any one can beat anyone. Usually the best teams do win but on occasion we get the underdog. Plus it depends what you mean by the best team. The best team isn't necessarily the one that attacks the most. Americans will never understand this. A 1 nil hard earned win by the ranked outsider can be more entertaining than a 6-0 win from the tournament favourite. I have watched thrilling 0-0, 1-1 draws then went to penalties and ended being 15-14 on penalties. If you don't understand the small things you will never enjoy the overall sport. Football is tribal as well which means a great deal.
<blockquote>Aren't these pretty much the same people that will watch a 12-hour cricket match? Just keep playing dammit!</blockquote>
No. Not even remotely.
<blockquote>I also don't like NBA basketball, I'll only watch the last period. Men's college basketball is much better IMO.</blockquote>
Bit of an oxymoron, it's the same sport just played at different levels. You watch the entire college basketball but only the last quarter of the NBA. Very odd.
<blockquote>No I care about breaking up monotony with a variety of action.</blockquote>
There is no variety of action. They walk down the court and 99% of the time will score. Now that is monotinous and boring. Knowing they will score with an almost perfect percentage isn't enjoyable
<blockquote>the monotony of running up and down the court with actually making a basket, not to mention 3 point shots and free throws.</blockquote>
No that is only caring about points.
1st Team goes down 1 end and scores. 2nd team goes down the other end and scores. Rinse and repeat for 48 mins.
That is the very definition of monotonous
This is why most Americans will never get the enjoyment of Football. Scoring a goal is meant to be hard, really hard. So when you do score it means something, not just another 2 points that adds to the 80 you already have.
25 years difference?
Avatar released in 2009 not 1997
So all you care about is points?
You can literally ignore 95% of a basketball game and only concentrate on the last 2 mins.
Scoring points is not interesting or enjoybale when you know it will happen every 20 secs.
Scoring a goal is meant to be very difficult.
You could say the same thing about basketball
You genuinly think this is worse than "The Predator"
Your opinion on movies is revoked if that is genuine