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You are right, that would have been a good response. She should hire you ;) thumbs up
Wow... sorry... but you are rich to call someone else ‚entitled’.
I’m honestly tired of cry babies, of “disappointed fans”, no matter if of the books or the show or both.
Nobody owes you anything. They made it, you watched it...that’s it. If you didn’t like it...tough $hit. They are not obligated to please everyone, or anyone for that matter.
If you didn’t like the show, shouldn’t have watched it and waste your time. If there was a point when you started to dislike it - could have stopped watching. If you only didn’t like the ending...well...can’t please everyone. They surely didn’t work on it for over eight years just to say : “ ok, how can we totally mess this up for fans in the last episode?”.
As visions shown in season four indicated, they knew all along where they where taking this.
You watched it...that’s it...nothing owed.
Do you also bitch around after you watched a movie in the theater and demand your money back or rant that they should redo it?
If you where disappointed, just get over it and move on lol - life is too short for stupid grievances like this. You accuse her of being a young ignorant tween... you don’t sound much better.
She actually has a point. People can be disappointed, surprised, whatever... but it is what it is, the vision the creators had, put thousands of hours of work in...and yes, it is disrespectful to petition for a redoing of whatever some people didn’t like.
Edit: and, as and afterthought...why do you care with whom she is? Or how they are matched? Not like you know them lol and why would you even care. You really should go outside and enjoy the real life. No offense meant, just advice...life really is too short for ranting raving and being so angry ;)
Supposedly there where five proposals for spin off series‘ - one that got already green lit (prequel). So who knows...
Maybe they won’t because Bran would see it coming (and they know that).
Sansa is queen
Welcome to the real world. What do you think politicians do? ;)
Yup
No, they decided that there always would just be the Chosen king or queen, no heirs after even if they have kids.
Like a president, but the only people who vote are the heads of the great houses.
As they said in the show - once Bran is gone they‘d (the heads of the great houses) all meet there again to choose the next leader,.
Wall wasn’t destroyed, just a chunk near East End is gone.
Yes, and he knew that he would go north of the wall while he was still in Kings Landing, when he told Tyrion that they would never see each other again; not because Tyrion couldn’t make it there, but because Jon knew he wouldn’t be there. Great ending for Jon - that’s where he should be...
Oh, I didn’t think that you tried to convince me, no worries ;) We are just having a conversation.
And with the books as well as the show - I can see almost everyone having problems with the way one character or another is going.
As many people react different to any given situation or view them differently, depending on their upbringing and past experiences, it makes for really interesting conversations (that I have in RL with people as well).
That’s part of why I really enjoy the series (both books and TV) - I can sit back and watch it unfold, sometimes it frustrates me but in the end I just find it interesting how they reacted, often surprising me. Then I talk to people and they took it a completely different way - and we can have the same conversation but from another persons view (and knowing my friends and family I can then dive in to analyze why they reacted the way they did to xyz information).
🤷♀️I love to analyze things :p
Probably a lot more information that you wanted or needed now lol
I guess we are allowed to have different opinions :p there is no convincing other of us on the others opinion :)
When you did you‘ll see the real story this was inspired by.
I‘m from the country it came from - so lots of insight on it :p
I guess that I just don’t see it that way.
How do you figure that he lost his hand because of her? I could see how you‘d be upset at him for going back to her if she actually was the one who cut it off, but she didn’t.
And as for seeing her as the villain: he grew up with her, he saw her suffering (basically sold into a marriage of a man who didn’t want her), her struggles, her love for her children, her love for him etc... he was willing to overlook a lot of the bad because he focused on what he loved in her. There are a lot of people in the RW who stand by their partner despite the horrendous things they do (and on a lighter level I‘m sure we are all guilty of those actions).
Issue with some of the writing. Well, yes, we all have some; but I appreciate the difficulty of writing for a show with a lot of characters, time limits and tons of people you have to answer to...so this story at least didn’t bother me.
But hey, we all have our own opinions and likes and dislikes and you are certainly allowed to hate Jamies arc.
There are usually certain events that trigger a mental break down - a death of a certain person (even if that individual has seen death before, it’s triggered by a special person, sometimes even someone they consider a rival/enemy etc); also by unfamiliar surroundings or unfamiliar emotions.
I think this is exactly what happened to Dany. Unfamiliar environment that made her feel uncomfortable (she’s used to the east, surroundings and culture) and the loss of people who have been around in most of her previous hardships.
It would not have made sense if she would have been showing a decline for a while/past seasons, because the things that triggered her „madness“ where not present before.
She was, she always asked if they could go now...then was told: nope, your dragons are still too small; nope, your army still too small, nope not yet either because you need more money for ships and so on... she learned to be patient out of need but she wasn’t inherently so.
About the understanding of mental breakdown- on the contrary. I actually have a bunch :p
First off, not everyone is the same and will react the same. Also, just because she went through hard situations before, doesn’t mean things don’t affect her now. It’s not like you get used to it or it’s unimportant just because you’ve seen it before.
People have gone through traumatic events, like wars, coped well, made rational decisions and then years later hurt others over spilled coffee.
My point is that the mind is much more complicated than you make it out to be.
Also, it does make a difference that she was on familiar ground at the beginning, being supported through bad times by familiar people. Little things like that make a big difference.
Edit: you are right that they have not „fleshed it out“ to be believable for everyone- but it’s a bit on the spoon-fed side of things if they would make it more obvious and the show (nor the books) has never really done that.
of course she thought that way, that she is the rightful heir to the throne - she has been told that a Targaryan should rule Westeros since she was little. She has never known anything else.
And yes, the story is based on (our world) history - a lot of stories are. Was anyone disputing this?
Also, on that note, her thinking was normal for the time period this is based on - Kingdoms, heirs, Titels. Even if she was no heir, but a conqueror- also historically present.
She did mentally break down (a level of madness, so not incorrectly labeled).
Is her story a cautionary tale? I think it’s more than that. GOT in general is more complicated, with many “lessons learned” moments, one of which is: sometimes things happen that make no sense, are unfair, have no secret or obvious meaning...they just happen, because that’s life...
People mention her impulses because, well, they where there and it shows possibilities under circumstances. Before she had advisors that she did trust.
Tyrion gave her bad advice before (that made her question for whom he is actually working for) - so the bells for surrender could have been a trick.
Having Jons romantic affection could mean marriage which would eliminate the threat for her to be replaced by him, his rejection however, made that impossible.
Killing the innocent: I don’t think that in that moment she saw them as innocent. She had a goal and pushing back the moral „no crossing line“ is easy if you give yourself the reasons to do so.
Mad King and Tygarians: there are different kinds and levels of madness. Her mental decline I thought made sense under the circumstances.
The wildfire is from the mad kings times, they had mentioned it before that he had laid traps all over the city that they later couldn’t find (so I guess this also confirmed that it was true and he probably really had the intention to „burn them all“).
And I am not disagreeing on any of your points.
There definitely was reasoning behind what she did. But there are many levels of madness. And killing so many innocent people (that at one point she wanted to liberate) is madness.
But no denying, she had her reasons behind it and yes, without her advisors she has always had the impulse to go the ‚fire and blood‘ route...
Sorry, ran out of space.
No other outcome, either the dead would get destroyed or the living would have all died that night.
Jon: wasn’t the last episode, there is one left. And here, he basically is „just“ a soldier. What else was he supposed to do? He fought, he called them off, called for retreat when warranted.
Dany: made it personal, didn’t see the individuell, the innocents, just her own losses, rage, frustration. While on screen pacing was off, her mental descent and giving into her violent impulses (that she’s always had) actually made sense.