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>Don't suggest fascist ideas, and perhaps people won't call you fascist.
What do you think are "fascist ideas"? How does not liking gays somehow relates uniquely to 1930's Italy?
>Do you think "Jewish people" all specifically root for and push one particular ideology, and any instance where some Jewish producer in entertainment who may be specifically ideologically inclined is because has Jewish ancestry?
No. Noone thinks it's "all", that's your oversimplification of things. If we go back a few decades and I say there's a problem with the Italian mafia subverting our society that doesn't mean I'm saying ALL Italians have some sort of genetic defect that causes them to be mafiosi. Isn't it interesting how we can freely talk about one but not the other?
>What stat? Their birth rates? This widely reported. Why would they lie? China is outright homophobic. Are you aware of their laws?
They lie, we lie, the truth is we can't really trust any stat coming from there. I already told you the word homophobic has no meaning so I don't know what you mean here and it doesn't really matter so it's irrelevant.
>The terms are not remotely the same. Those are racial slurs, where as "homophobic" is a judgement about your attitude towards gay people.
Phobia means irrational fear of something. Someone saying they don't want gayness to be promoted has nothing to do with a phobia as it is not a fear and it's not even irrational. Any sentence that utilizes that word is without meaning.
I don't think you want to go over which demographic is very very disproportionately involved in mass shootings.... you can't handle the truth!
>So the world is wrong and chefao is right.
Yes. But it's not "the world" it's "your world".
>So the world is wrong and chefao is right. Why does Euphoria, Heartstopper and Sex Education have excellent ratings on IMDB? People are not afraid to downrate crap on IMDB. Velma has piss-poor ratings. Lord of the Rings (Amazon) has not great ratings. Why does it have very high viewing figures, as indicated by the sources I've given?
Only the people who are into gay stuff even watched that show to begin with? I didn't watch it and neither did a lot of people who have simply given up on these shows over the past years.
>What violence have I incited your way?
When you call someone a nazi or a fascist you are inciting violence. It's the same as when O'Reilly did the whole "baby killer" thing. Especially in today's day and age where violence and cancel culture against people who are anywhere on the right is so prevalent.
>Your evidence here is "director is jewish therefore his only motives is to promote some zionist pro-gay agenda". It's blatant racism.
Cool, I hope you hang around this site long enough so we can keep talking about all the other "coincidences" as they keep happening.
The current demographic problem is unrelated.
>And what constitutes "normalisation", and what in your mind should be done about that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_(sociology)
Homossexuality and other deviant behavior shouldn't be normalized. We can start by making gay marriage illegal again for example and replacing the jews in hollywood who keep pushing these agendas. You would have to ask someone with political ambitions what should be done, I wouldn't know exactly.
>No they are not. Me calling you a fascist or authoritarian is not calling for violence.
In this context where I am anonymous it's not, but in a different context yes it is calling for violence. It's the same as when O'Reilly called an abortion doctor a baby killer and some guy ended up killing him. I don't care about you making up excuses or justifying it, I am just happy to let you know you're a scumbag for throwing those labels on people.
>So because he's Jewish by ancestry that means his only purpose is to promote whatever the "Jewish agenda" is? This is textbook anti-semitism.
This is one of many many examples of jewish people being over-represented in these positions and pushing for a certain type of ideology. Start paying attention and you'll see it everywhere. Again, you are using these weaponized meme words like antisemitism that don't mean anything, shame on you.
>The worst nations on earth for birth rates right now are China, Korea and Japan. China is pretty homophobic. Korea and Japan are *okay* but not great. Russia has also kinda average child replacement rates (comparable to western europe) amongst ethnic Russians and it's incredibly homophobic.
1) Any stat coming out of China is unreliable.
2) The word "homophobic" is another weaponized meaningless term, it's impossible to engage in rational conversation with someone who utilizes dishonest weaponized meme terms like these. It's the same as if I start calling you a nigger or a faggot in the middle of the conversation for no reason, so already your whole point is senseless.
3) My point had nothing to do with the current situation when it comes to birthrates, you missed the point entirely. The birthrate problem is multidimensional and mostly caused by contraceptives and pornography, among other lesser causes. My original point was that gay people can't reproduce therefore their sexuality is by definition abnormal and shouldn't be promoted and pushed as normal. The current demographic problem
Damn was it really that hard to find 1 (one) video to debunk the other guy? You got btfo dude
"This would be your own personal definition. Plenty of LGBT-focused content has actually been a critical success in terms of viewers and reception in TV and film. "
No it hasn't. Your metrics are all skewed, regular people are not allowed to publicly voice their opinion when it comes to these topics due to cancel culture. You have already demonstrated how this works in this conversation by calling me a nazi and implicitly inciting violence my way, now imagine how dangerous that is in real life. Even if it did, what does it matter?
"No, but you've not done that with Jews."
Cool, start noticing it yourself. This is perhaps the first time you notice it with this show, start paying attention and you will see it everywhere.
"People calling you an authoritarian or fascist is the same as calling for gay people to be thrown from rooftops?"
Yes. Both are a call for violence.
"await evidence that the changing of attitudes in modern TV and film regarding LGBT (and other groups) is specifically down to Jews."
I already provided the evidence for this one instance, the director of this show is jewish.
"There's no real evidence that an increased acceptance of LGBT people has any meaningful impact on reproduction rates."
Gay people can't reproduce. It really is that simple. I didn't state any correlation between one and the other that's you doing it because you are a dishonest person. If gays can't reproduce then their relationships are by definition destructive to the fabric of society. Is it a big deal? Not really. Should it be encouraged and normalized? No.
"What makes being LGBT "deviant" except that it's less common (assuming that is terms of reference you are using "deviant")"
Everything I have already stated prior, read it again.
"I didn't choose to be straight. I just am. I don't find men attractive. Do you think gay people somehow always just 'choose' to find people of their own sex attractive?"
How did you get to that absolute dumb idea from the part you quoted? Read it again and do it honestly instead of being a dumbass
Why should I have to leave my country and my culture that you are trying to destroy?
What we should do is split the country in half and have a national divorce.
"This response is also ironically rather snowflakey of you."
Ok, I guess I'll just copypaste your answer when gays are being thrown off rooftops, I mean you're ok with violence apparently right.
"How does TV shows that show the existence of gay people "destroying culture"? How is it trying to turn everything into "one"? "
You just keep on being dishonest over and over again. What's your problem? You asked me a broad question about jewish influence in media and their agenda/ideology and I answered honestly and you just bring it back to gays as if I was making a specific point instead of a broad one.
Can you see how you are a dishonest person who engages in bad faith?
Since you want to bring it back to the specifics (make up your mind) gay relationships are by definition destructive, society can only thrive on the shoulders of strong reproductive families who have an inherent interest in protecting the future for their children. Gay relationships are cultural suicide and funny enough that is demonstrated on this episode itself as these 2 gays end up just dying and leaving no children behind so they lived a pointless existence from an evolutionary and societal perspective. They have pretty much no impact whatsoever on the future of the world, meanwhile the people who are reproducing and having real families do, through their offspring.
The ways they are trying to turn everything into one is by pretending as if deviancy and normalcy are the same, by pretending all races, ethnicities, cultures are the same. Gay relationships are just one example of this ideology in action, in the grand scheme of things this is just one aspect of it. We should not pretend as if people being gay or simply just choosing a non-reproductive lifestyle are the same as people who put out the effort to have families and who are building the future of the world. It's not the same, one of those things is objectively positive and the other is, at most, neutral.
"being less successful viewing wise than Sopranos"
1) That's not true.
2) Noone cares.
3) Yes lgbt content is always a failure since its promoting deviant stuff so I consider it as a failure, define failure and success go ahead.
"I have no reason to regard two men kissing as "deviant"."
Ok. I do have a reason and have provided them earlier, so do other people. You not having a reason is irrelevant to me.
"If you suggested the Italian mafia runs the world and has an global cultural agenda, then yes."
If the italian mafia really was doing those things and I demonstrated it why would that be "antiblabla"?
based black man, if only we were all like this
Absolutely. All it took was for good men to do nothing.
And we're tired of you. Maybe we could go our separate ways?
If it doesn't matter why do they swap it?
"Calling you an authoritarian, or a fascist, or a theocrat is not advocating violence."
Yes it is. When you call someone a fascist or a nazi you are stamping them with the "evil" label and letting everyone know it's ok to do violence against that person. It's weaponized language. Since we are anon here I don't care but I just wanted you to know it's disgusting and cowardly to behave like that.
"So therefore it's a Jewish thing is it? Every single time a person of Jewish ancestry writes a show they therefore are doing it to promote some agenda? What even are you proposing the end goal is?"
It's very disproportionately a jewish thing yes. Jews don't want the different cultures and ethnicities of the world preserving their identity because they ludicrously believe this leads to their genocide therefore they want to promote anything that destroys those cultures in order to turn everything into "one". You don't have to believe me but maybe start looking it up whenever you see things that are self-destructive being promoted in the media and see if there's a jew behind it. We have been conditioned to think it's wrong to criticize the jewish mafia when there is really no good reason why.
"There's always a distinction made between morality and legality."
No shit, genius. This is not a matter of opinion, law is based on morality this is objective reality if you disagree you're just wrong. That doesn't mean every random moral value is hard coded into law, just go google it or something it's really not a controversial thing just think for a little bit.
"No reason to believe this."
The "reason" is called having a logical mind.
"Islam is not growing at anywhere near the rate right-wing reactionaries claim."
I said "something new like Islam" as in something that I am not able to predict at the time.
"You have to right to do what you like, so long as you not prevent me others from doing what they like."
Who is preventing you? Is me expressing my disagreement towards your pedo-enabling lifestyle preventing you from doing anything? Do you think I'm the government or something?
"Euphoria was HBOs second most successful show"
Who cares? The people you quoted in your stupid article define "success" as the number of viewers HBO claims to be watching, try telling anyone your homo propaganda show is more "successful" than the Sopranos and a bunch of other shows. Oh you mean "at the time" so it's more semantics tricks "it was the most successful that week", okey very relevant.... Even if you were right (you aren't) who cares? This is irrelevant to the claim that most people are disgusted by these things.
"Why should I feel "tricked" anymore than I would if a straight couple kissed in the plot."
Because one form of affection is natural and the other is deviant and you should have to go out of your way to find deviant stuff (you still CAN, I'm not forbidding you)
"Yet more rampant antisemitism"
Are you really just that stupid or what? If I said something about the Italian mafia a few decades ago would I be antimediterranean or whatever meme term you're using? When you weaponize language like that it only reveals your intellectual cowardice.
"Things are not prohibited by law because they are "immoral""
Wrong, that's the foundation of law. How would even the most tyrant king be able to uphold a code of law antithetical to the common moral code of his subjects. The golden rule is a basic moral understanding, the root of the tree of law.
"There are no victims."
Yes, there are victims. By normalizing unhealthy deviant behavior there is a cost on society at large, even the gays will suffer because of this. The story will play out over the rest of this century but rest assured that all of this cultural degeneracy is not without impact on what's to come. Whether that is the suicide of our completely demoralized society and its replacement with something new like Islam that will mercilessly throw you from the rooftops, or some sort of awakening that is hard to say, but things won't stay on this trajectory for long.
"Your rights end when your fist approaches my face."
Stop being unhinged, this is why you get so dramatic and call everyone a nazi, who said anything about fists?
"why are TV shows like Euphoria, Sex Education and Heartstopper highly successful?"
Successful is a highly subjective term. I never heard about them. Did they make a profit and therefore count as successful? I have no doubt lgbt community likes those shows, I guess that's what makes them successful? How much % of the actual population watches those shows? I guess that doesn't matter to your definition here.
"I am straight. I don't much care to watch two gay men kiss"
But they care to trick you into watching their weird sexual fetish. Funny how that goes. I would be glad with a compromise, some kind of lgbt symbol just like the red circle used to mean mature content so I know to avoid watching it. I respect them and they respect me.
This is of course too sensible and reasonable, not at all what the jewish directors are interested in. They want to push their agenda and that means tricking you into watching things that disgust you.
"I know precisely what fascism, nazism meansand bigotry means."
No you don't but it doesn't matter, who cares. I just wanted you to know it's a coward and despicable tactic to use as you are implicitly advocating violence against said person. It's meaningless when talking anonymously since I can just call you out on it I don't care what those words mean to you.
"What "Jewish shows"?"
The guys who wrote this show we're talking about right now are jewish, buddy. Careful don't look it up you might become a "nazi" or something if you notice things.
I think by labeling people fascist/nazi/bigots you are weaponizing language and inciting violence, specially when you clearly have no clue what those words mean. You think someone is a fascist if they are in favor of laws, you are a ridiculous person.
You use these terms as weapons to make you "win" the conversation because you expect the other person to go on the defensive but I already told you I don't care, so you can just address the arguments instead of attempting to dodge into this nonsense.
I have never said I want the state to ban all depictions of homosexuality, what I want is for people to be free to express their disgust and discontent without being victimized by the lgbt activists so that what will naturally happen is it will stay in the shadows, you might remember me using that expression earlier on and it was there for a reason.
Yes you talk about Christian shows but you don't talk about Jewish shows. Why is that? Why are you allowed to oppose Christian values and that's all fine and good but if I point out objective facts about Jewish value influencing these shows I'm a something-something? Oh it's "repulsive" now? I think that's just you projecting your bigotry sweetie, what if the polls said otherwise? Get real...