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"You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could...


...and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox..."

That line could basically be applied to this film.

I just saw it, as a fan of the previous JP instalments (yes, even the previous two JW films), and I was thoroughly disappointed, after initially marvelling at the decent production values, the potentially promising storyline, and some initial sharp digs at the supposedly hip and 'woke' veneer of Steve Jobs like modern-day corporations (the shot of all the *diverse* Ingen employees mooning over Ian Malcolm's spiel was an especially delicious dig at the faux-values and hypocrisy of today's corporations and their deluded and self-possessed employees who genuinely believe "we're doing something great here guys..."), so it's a shame that as the film progressed it fell into tired cliches, and became a pointless dirge that took ZERO risks.

What's the point of bringing back legacy characters if there's NO sense of tension that any one of them is ever going to die? Their presence simply robs the film of any surprises (in fact there were only two main character deaths in the entire film, and they were both villains... *yawn*). In hindsight, it now makes me reassess my feelings about The Lost World, a film I once despised for its heartless cynicism in killing off the heroic Eddie Carr (if only the new film took as many risks).

And I'm sorry 'woke-apologists', but political correctness is, indeed, killing movie narratives. How much more exciting and surprising would it have been if Lewis Dodgson's Black protege turned out to be another villain, in on Dodgson's evil cover-up, rather than simply what he always appeared to be (a nice guy)? It's a fundamental failure of storytelling. Anyone who knows *anything* about scriptwriting, knows about Robert McGee's 10 Commandments, two of which are as follows: "Thou shalt not take the crisis/climax out of the protagonist’s hands. The anti-deus ex machina commandment" and "Thou shalt not make life easy for the protagonist. Nothing progresses in a story, except through conflict." By doing the *obvious* 2023 thing, and making the Black employee a nice guy rather than another villain (and there were nowhere near enough villains in this film), the film let our protagonists off the hook when he gives them an escape-exit out of Ingen. It also makes our villain less of a threat by turning him into an idiot for trusting Ramsey. And where's the fun in that?

Also, having the villain be killed off without any witnesses, and without posing a threat to the other characters, is pointless. It just becomes a mean-spirited Hate Sink moment, as opposed to a moment of victory/escape from a threat, for the heroes. What's the point of showing the villain's death if it's not witnessed by any of the other characters?

Also, who gives a fuck about a fight between the dinosaurs once the heroes have escaped? None of us actually care about the dinosaurs, do we? Does anyone really believe they have any personality? They're just mindless predators. The stuff we care about is whether the humans will live or die, and since we know from the off which characters were going to survive and which were going to live, this film failed at that ONE SIMPLE OBJECTIVE.

Finally, despite the film's faux or ostensible wokeness, it adheres to a tired reactionary trope/cliche which is 'the brilliant and virtuous rich kid scientist born with the genes and raised in the circumstances to be a saviour'. I don't give a FUCK about spoiled rich girl Dr Charlotte Lockwood whose daddy was able to give her access to her own genetics lab as if it were a fucking child's chemistry set. Privilege and socioeconomic advantage and educational access isn't suddenly more acceptable because a white *woman* is benefiting from it, rather than a white man.

But that's Hollywood 'woke' hypocrisy for you. They can do racial justice and feminist justice for you, but they're way WAY off from socioeconomic justice, and just as long as the spoiled rich kids are Black and/or female, they're A-OK.

Sorry, that AIN'T socialism, and it AIN'T leftism, despite what you faux-'woke' frauds may think.

Privilege is privilege. Deal with it. 😠

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Broadly agree, except that nobody saw the villain die in The Lost World and it worked fine, also I loved Eddie’s death, it really gave some menace to the dinosaurs and showed us nobody is safe in this film.

I don’t want any woksim, leftism or socialism in my popcorn movies. None of that crap belongs in Hollywood (or anywhere else).

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"Broadly agree, except that nobody saw the villain die in The Lost World and it worked fine, also I loved Eddie’s death, it really gave some menace to the dinosaurs and showed us nobody is safe in this film."

I'm not sure which villain you're referring to in The Lost World, but Dieter Stark's death fulfilled a purpose. It was firstly karma for him torturing a Compsognathus earlier in the film, but also he goes missing halfway through the movie, so the other characters notice his disappearance, and it also displays Stark's foolishness in relying upon his assistant (who I believe was called Clark, despite being an obviously Latino character), to watch out for him, whilst Clark is absently listening to loud music on his headphones. But there's zero impact when the main villain dies in the new film, and so there's no weight to his demise.

In retrospect I've now come to appreciate Eddie's fate in The Lost World, as I implied in my above 'review'. When I first saw The Lost World, I hated his death almost as much as I despised the opening credits of Alien 3, in which Newt and Hicks are killed off. Eddie was practically the audience surrogate (i.e. the most down-to-earth and likeable character in the film), and he only died because he played hero. But now I appreciate that Spielberg was raising the stakes with The Lost World, and showing that potentially *anyone* could die *including* sympathetic characters, although it would be nice to see a hunk killed off in one of these films. Unassuming and schlubbish Eddie practically had dead meat written all over him, and it was ironically only when he played hero that I thought he might survive.

"I don’t want any woksim, leftism or socialism in my popcorn movies. None of that crap belongs in Hollywood (or anywhere else)."

Well, I'd say that I am a woke leftist socialist, for the most part, so we might disagree on many matters. That certain, I'm not a fan of obvious agendas and preaching in blockbuster movies...

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...for the most part, but I'm fine with it, *if* it suits the film and *adds* to the narrative in a constructive manner.

Someone mentioned The Day After Tomorrow in another thread, and that's a film where some wokism and progressive messaging *does* arguably add to the film, since the entire movie is about the effects of global warming.

And in this film, I'm perfectly fine with an evil CEO causing world famine via profit-maximising genetic tickering. I mean, that has always been at the heart of this franchise (i.e. the greed of mega-corporations), but I also think more subtle and isolated aspects of wokism can occasionally hurt these films. If we're programmed to expect all Black characters will turn out good, and only the token white guy is evil, it loses all sense of tension and drama.

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The villain I’m referring to in the Lost World is the main one - Peter Ludlow, Hammond’s smug nephew. He gets eaten by a baby T-Rex at the end and nobody is there to see it.

If socialists want to get together and create a commune away from everyone else then fine, but leave normal people alone.

I agree that woke ruins movies. Everything is predictable - non-white villains turn out to be good, and they have diversity-armour so they won’t die. Legacy white male characters will be humiliated and cucked while the stronk vomen handle most of the action, and we really didn’t need to know the black pilot was a lesbian in this dinosaur movie 🤦🏻‍♂️

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If they killed off any legacy characters people would have been more pissed off. The first film had no intention of killing them off as well. And we all knew it back then. They were the stars of the film. Not one leading character died in the first JP or any film afterwards. So I don't see where this criticism is coming from...

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People who always want to kill off main and important characters are absoutely insane.

No, killing off legacy characters would be a disaster and absolutely pathetic.

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