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Terminators weren't meant to be CGI or move like super heroes

posted 3 years ago by kuatorises (7467)
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THIS is how you film a terminator moving and fighting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXhF2nGEPPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pq9F5f8kyE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFuWXIuy0g

Not this CGI and wire fu crap:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSZkU9Yyp0w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlHwtzPJTLU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gik-BHRihuc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcR7Akq7yQE&t=84s

Terminators aren't meant to move like this. They aren't supposed to fly around as if there's no gravity. They're heavy. Their actions are meant to look and feel real. This alone could have made every post-T2 sequel better.

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 3 years ago

I still think the new stuff is fun.

And besides, there was nothing real about the T-800 vs T-1000 fights in T2 lol. I don't mind it, but at the end of the day, it's pretty unconvincing that a fight between a T-1000 and a T-800 would come down to a fist fight (T-1000 wouldn't be wasting time dealing blunt damage).

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

"there was nothing real about the T-800 vs T-1000 fights in T2 lol"

This is a clown comment. It's not debatable that the first group of clips looks SIGNIFICANTLY more real than the 2nd.

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 3 years ago

I meant "real" as in realistic in terms of the story. The practical effects look realer obviously. But I'm pointing out that the first group of clips don't even make sense from a storytelling perspective.

But if you're only talking about practical effects vs low quality cgi, then yeah of course practical effects look realer.

I only responded like that because of this: "Terminators aren't meant to move like this. They aren't supposed to fly around as if there's no gravity."

A T-1000 is not "meant" to get into a fist fight with a T-800. A T-1000 is not supposed to see if it can outpunch a T-800. The clips look realer visually, but not they're realistic at all in terms of what these things are.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

What. The. Fuck. Are. You. Talking. About?

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 3 years ago

lol...nevermind

[–] Kowalski (60348) 3 years ago

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

I think the T-1000 in T2 was TOYING with the T-800, because it knows it's superior in every way so it was simply enjoying itself as it slowly dismantled its opposition. The human targets may have been running away or hiding, but the T-1000 knew they could never outrun it.

What did you want from T2? For the T-1000 to simply make huge scythes out of its arms and decapitate the T-800?

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 3 years ago

I think the T-1000 in T2 was TOYING with the T-800

Fair interp. I still don't agree though. That would imply that the T-1000 has something of a personality outside his directive. As I was saying to the other guy, I don't think that a T-1000 would wasting time dealing blunt damage. Toying is a waste of time.

What did you want from T2? For the T-1000 to simply make huge scythes out of its arms and decapitate the T-800?

I mean. Not saying I "want" anything in particular. Just noting that it doesn't make sense for it to fight the T-800 like this. Making huge scythes to decapitate would make more sense within the movie's logic. I could think of some other scenarios but that's besides the point.

I was on the T1 board earlier, so fresh in my mind is the notion of how overrated T2 is compared to T1, but that's another story.

[–] Heisenberg (6383) 3 years ago

Riiiight.........
Because an infiltration unit that looks like Arnie makes sense. In a starving world....
Not to mention his clever infiltrating technique. ie the police station massacre....
Need I say more about illogical strategies?
Let's face it. These machines are fucking stupid.

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 3 years ago

Let's face it. These machines are fucking stupid.

Unrelatedly, this is part of the many reasons why I can't stand Salvation...there are a few times where Skynet seems TOO effective to the point where I'm like...the humans shouldn't have been alive this long. XD

[–] Heisenberg (6383) 3 years ago

I agree.
In the first terminator they had a great balance between lethal and clunky. They physically overpowered humans, but their inferior imagination made them vulnerable.
See my point about the silliness of terminator units. Imagine that they used to make them with plastic hair and skin, that must have been a laugh to watch a mannequin waltzing in your bunker thinking it's gonna get unnoticed.

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 3 years ago

I laughed! I actually never thought about it specially in that way: balance between lethal and clunky. I'll have to bring that up with my scifi friendgroup. Yeah, thinking about those earlier infiltration models, it's kind of amusing to think about how Skynet tried to make their machines look "human", and all they got was this sad pathetic facsimile of humanity. Sounds like a tragic scifi short story.

[–] Heisenberg (6383) 3 years ago

I know, right?
Their comedy is all right there in your face, even with the impossible to detect t-800. "What is wrong wit this picture" is the first human reaction to their superior camouflage skills (casually walking butt naked, balls hanging out in the middle of Griffith park).
Every time a terminator opens its mouth it's more genius improvisation by a predictive text with the vocabulary of a toddler.
But the number one comic bit is their monotone delivery: even the most appropriate line would get a laugh riot if delivered emotionlessly in a thick Schwarzenegger accent while staring dead serious at your interlocutor.