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I hate this movie but still have lingering unanswered questions...


I know I should have let this movie hang in the closet of forgotten memories, but I'm haunted by the unanswered questions that bog down on my mind like Luke's X-Wing in the Dagobah swamp.

I know most people probably don't have answers to these questions, but I imagine some feminist-fanboy who loves all things feminism probably shuffled through the leg-beard diaries of a mad screenwriter somewhere and found the clues to this unending cognitive scuffle that leeches onto my thoughts.

1) What the heck was the Rev-9? I assumed it was a nano-machine Terminator, but they literally never explained what it was or what its abilities were. Was it a cybernetic organism or was it just a very elaborate shape-shifting machine? They never bothered to explain it.

2) Why could the Rev-9 duplicate itself but only once and not twice or thrice over? It could duplicate itself and did so multiple times throughout the film, but they never explained why it didn't always have a duplicate or what the downside was of having a duplicate. Did it take power? Did it have a power source? Did the clone share the original's power source? They never bothered to explain.

3) Why was the Rev-9 invulnerable? Nothing seems to stop this thing. Not fire, not water, not explosions, not bullets, not even being crushed. I didn't understand the limits of this thing's abilities. Was it literally just impervious to everything short of a large scale microwave blast? And if a microwave blast was the only way to stop it, why didn't they suggest that earlier in the film?

4) What was the point of the human upgrades if they were only good for two to three minutes of combat? Grace explains that she went through the upgrade process but it only lasted for a couple of minutes and then her body would crash. If that happened in the battlefield then the upgrades were as good as dead. Worse yet, she couldn't even damage the darn Rev-9, so what was the point? If it weren't for Sarah showing up then Grace would have simply died. Somehow a 70-year-old geriatric woman was more effective than a physically augmented super-lesbian from the future.

5) Why did they want Dani dead? We were told that Dani was John Connor of her future, but they never said why. We were told repeatedly in the first two films that John was a great leader who led successful campaigns against Skynet's infrastructure and even managed to take over their time machine facility. In Dark Fate they literally never explained why Dani was humanity's best hope against the machines. If she were a hacker or computer whiz who came up with some kind of virus to disrupt their systems, then it would all make sense, but she was just a low-class factory worker from Mexico... WTF?

6) What was the point of the machines sending back a Rev-9 when they already seemed to be winning the war in the future and had even more advanced robots wiping out humanity? Those Tentacle Terminators were not only anti-air efficient but seemed to be capable of wiping out entire human platoons on their own. So why not send one of them back instead of the Rev-9?

7) I thought inorganic material couldn't be sent back through the machine, and if the Rev-9 is a nanomachine then wouldn't that mean its surface skin is still coated in inorganic material, thus rendering it incapable of traveling through time? This was also a plot-hole for the T-1000 in Terminator, but it seemed even more of a glaringly obvious problem in Dark Fate given that the Rev-9 had no weaknesses (opposite of the T-1000) and I didn't understand why it just didn't create a gun and shoot Dani to complete its mission.

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For someone who claims to have hated this movie , you devoted a lot of energy pondering it.

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you devoted a lot of energy pondering it.


I like the Terminator franchise, so obviously I'm trying to put into context how some of the movie elements work in conjunction with the in-universe lore. It's like that with any movie I see that at least has an interesting premise/plot.

Some people go into movies and "turn off their brain", I usually go into movies to absorb the experience. In doing so, yes, I was left with a lot of questions about a movie I thoroughly hated. Figured someone who actually liked it may have had some answers after multiple viewings, but it appears that that is not the case.

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Just pretend it doesn't exist.

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Them first two paragraphs though, (slow clap) Ive never seen someone so Gun Hoe on finding fault on others for no real reason except, I don't even know...being afraid a world they have always pictured ( which they don't even reside in) is being stripped away from them. How bout trying to enjoy a movie at face value? Read between the lines long enough and all you see is sweet fuck all.

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Sorry not to you blue1981

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That's actually good advice.

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I only glanced over your questions.
The rev 9 is some new tech. This ain't Skynet.

It can duplicate itself, but I'd say if it kept duplicating it would become weaker and weaker, maybe. Who knows

The rev 9's weakness was it's inability to think like a human. The cunt was smart, too smart for its own good.

The upgrades to the human hybrid chick were explained, "if you don't beat the terminator cunt in ten minutes you die" . Coming toe to toe with one in the past, by itself with outside help changes the outcomes.

Dani is the new John Connor. That's enough for me.

You can, according to terminator law, only send back machines covered in human tissue. Plus if you try to nitpick the logic of trying to win a war retroactively, you will give yourself a headache.

Last point I think you're wrong.

Anywho. Have fun. I like this movie. It's my third fave.



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The rev 9 is some new tech. This ain't Skynet.


Female Leonardo DeCaprio sort of explained as much, but they didn't really explain how the tech worked, or rather, the rules of its technology.

It can duplicate itself, but I'd say if it kept duplicating it would become weaker and weaker, maybe. Who knows


LOL okay, so you're just as confused about this point as I am. They explained in T2 that the T1000 could only duplicate objects of equal mass, which makes sense. But here, did the mass of the Rev-9 change when it duplicated itself, or did it stay the same? I just really didn't understand it. But yeah... who knows?!

The rev 9's weakness was it's inability to think like a human. The cunt was smart, too smart for its own good.


That seems at odds with the fact the Rev-9 was able to pretend to be a border security officer, just until it didn't need to. I didn't understand why it could act human sometimes and then only act like a robot at other times. The T1000 was extremely consistent in his imitation of humans, regardless of the situation, as was the T-101 (but to a lesser extent). The Rev-9 seemed to bounce back and forth between imitating humans and then just being a reckless murder-bot.

Last point I think you're wrong.


Huh? Which part?

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The part about it not having organic skin. It does. You saying it doesn't is speculation. If it traveled through time is has an organic shell, or at least can synthesize one.

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If it traveled through time is has an organic shell, or at least can synthesize one.


This is part of the problem, though, because it has nanomachines as a skin layer, which are still made of metal, as evident whenever it gets shot.

So how can inorganic material -- controlled by a CPU chip -- travel through the time machine? The same thing applies to Grace's outer skin layer, which is a synthetic, inorganic material, as evident when she blocks the pipe and you see the graph layers.

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