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I gave it a 7/10 so definitely not bad, but...


...for those who have seen it already here's what I had issues with or just don't get:

1) Why is being gay such a big deal in 2018 at this high school and why is there only one other known gay student (a very obvious, effeminate "queen")? Again, this is current-day.

2) The principal/guidance counselor (or whoever he was) was way over the top and a typical movie character they put in high school movies that doesn't ring true whatsoever.

3) When they tried to mislead us as to who the unknown correspondent "Blue" was they would show possible scenarios for each person he suspected, but when they showed the actual person they showed a white guy typing (without showing his entire face of course), which was hinted at being the actual guy, yet it turns out to be Bram, who is black.

4) Why was Simon's bff girlfriend Leah so upset that he told her she should date Spencer? How was he to know she liked him (Simon)? I don't get her outrage.

5) And is making it both a gay AND interracial thing perhaps too much of a stretch when trying to reach a mainstream audience to accept being gay as no big deal in today's world? I mean, perhaps many conservatives will see this as too much of a liberal push.

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1) Why is being gay such a big deal in 2018 at this high school and why is there only one other known gay student (a very obvious, effeminate "queen")? Again, this is current-day.

Who said it's a big deal? The student body are all mostly very accepting. When they find out, they don't take it as a big deal at all. However, there are those 2 jocks who give them a hard time and torment them. Simply because they're dicks. Notice he tells his friend Abby before he tells his family. Because one of the things he's most unsure about is how his relationship may change with his family. He tells them "I'm still me". As Ethan explained one of the things thats hard for him is his mother acting like he's straight when talking to their family members. Simon just doesn't want his relationship to change with his dad or mom. He also says one of the reasons he didn't want those e-mails leaked is because then "blue" would get scared off. Simon also says how he doesn't feel comfortable about "having to come out" because its not like that when you're straight. So why does he have to?

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Yes but they made it seem like there was only one other known gay guy (that effeminate black guy) at the school. I understand that people still may be hesitant to be open but it's just so commonplace now that he should probably have known it wouldn't be such a big deal for his classmates.

How about the other issues I addressed?

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Apparently there's a character limit so I couldn't address everything in the 1 post since my reply was already long to part 1. I don't know where you went to high-school or how long ago it was, but there definitely wasn't openly gay people everywhere when I was there. The people you knew were gay were ones like Ethan that were effeminate males like you put it. Keep in mind, this school was relatively small where everyone knew each other. Look at the size of the cafeteria and auditorium alone. Maybe you went to a much larger high-school idk.

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2) The principal/guidance counselor (or whoever he was) was way over the top and a typical movie character they put in high school movies that doesn't ring true whatsoever.

Don't agree with you at all. There are many teachers and vice principals that are upbeat and lively like this.

3) When they tried to mislead us as to who the unknown correspondent "Blue" was they would show possible scenarios for each person he suspected, but when they showed the actual person they showed a white guy typing (without showing his entire face of course), which was hinted at being the actual guy, yet it turns out to be Bram, who is black.

These were the thoughts of Simon the entire time. So its what he was envisioning in his mind. He thought it was Bram so thats who he was thinking of. Then that got erased when he saw him with the girl about to have sex. So he shifted to someone else, etc.

4) Why was Simon's bff girlfriend Leah so upset that he told her she should date Spencer? How was he to know she liked him (Simon)? I don't get her outrage.

Who tf is Spencer? His name was Nick. I don't know how you can't understand how she was upset. It was very obvious and he did know. It was very hurtful to her as she was in love with him. Idk how you can't understand her being deeply upset. He didn't just tell her he was gay, instead he told her to go out with someone else when there was really no interest there. He was leading his best friends towards lots of dead ends.

5) And is making it both a gay AND interracial thing perhaps too much of a stretch when trying to reach a mainstream audience to accept being gay as no big deal in today's world? I mean, perhaps many conservatives will see this as too much of a liberal push.

Who cares? If they can't accept it then too bad. The movie preaches acceptance of others. If they can't accept homosexual relationships or interracial relationships then too bad. That gripe is really ridiculous.

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These were the thoughts of Simon the entire time. So its what he was envisioning in his mind. He thought it was Bram so thats who he was thinking of. Then that got erased when he saw him with the girl about to have sex. So he shifted to someone else, etc.


No, they showed different people's faces who he knew and thought it could be, that he was imagining. But there was also one he wasn't thinking that they purposely didn't show the face (just his hands) which we were led to believe was the actual guy. And that guy was white.

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What don't you get? It was Simon's imagination. After he eliminated the first 2 people from his mind, then he was imagining someone similar to himself (which is the person you describe) It was what was going on in his head, and its hard to create a unique image of a persons face in your head.

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I don't know how you can't understand how she was upset. It was very obvious and he did know. It was very hurtful to her as she was in love with him. Idk how you can't understand her being deeply upset. He didn't just tell her he was gay, instead he told her to go out with someone else when there was really no interest there. He was leading his best friends towards lots of dead ends.


Still don't agree. Who says he knew she was into him that way and not just a friend? And what is the big deal about suggesting she date someone? You act like he set them up at a romantic dinner alone. He made a suggestion to her -- definitely not something to have a hissy fit about!

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She wasn't mad at him for telling her to date Nick. That's the first thing you need to realize. They were still friends after that. It was only after everything came full circle that it was an issue. He was trying to keep Abby and Nick apart, so he tried to setup Leah with Nick. It was manipulative. Nick was still very interested in Abby, Nick knew that, so he was setting his best friend Leah up for a failed relationship from the start. She was already struggling with feeling like an outsider.

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Who tf is Spencer? His name was Nick.


There was a character named Spencer played by actor Terayle Hill.

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Oh ok, the name did sound familiar but he had a small role as one of the bullies. Nick is the person you were thinking of, not Spencer.

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"There are many teachers and vice principals that are upbeat and lively like this."

Upbeat and 'lively'? He was invasive and inappropriate. It was supposed to be 'cute' but I don't think vice principals act like this (hopefully), but admittedly I haven't seen all of them. It was still stupid though.

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How was he invasive? Inappropriate? Not really. He was trying to relate to his students. Some of the stuff was just for comedic purposes and it worked.

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Well by trying to relate to his students he was inappropriate and invasive, regardless.

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