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Cap's character (spoilers)

posted 5 years ago by fitzjoe (37)
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Cap's decision to reunite with Peggy and change the Timeline is so out of character because

He leaves the Avengers, his family. Remember what t he said at the end of Age of Ultron "marriage The guy who wanted that went into the ice. Another man came out"

He could have romance with Sharon Carter that would not interfere with his Avenging

Two, he would respect Peggy Carter's marriage and not presume that he would be a better husband for her, even if it it is in another timeline and he doesn't break up her marriage in that timeline

Cap was friendly with Peggy when she was older. Their relationship changed. He would not disrespect that changed relationship (and the timeline-see below) just to seek his own satisfaction. He would have pursued a relationship with Sharon (which Peggy would probably approve of)

Third, Cap would not jep the timeline in order to pursue his own gratification. It alsmost is like he cannot accept life the way it is, with its trials and sorrows , but is going to go back in time to escape them. This is WAY out of character for this World War 2 hero. It is like he is trying to escape into his own reality the way people escape into non-reality via, drugs, video games, etc.

[–] Otter (24464) 5 years ago

We dont know how how intentional his return to the past was. He may have started out intending to do the job and return to the Avengers as planned, and changed his mind once he realized that he really didnt have to live in the 21st century any more. He never felt at home in our world, never really relaxed and got comfortsble, which was one of the things that made him work as a screen chatacter. The Captain America of the comics could be pretty dull, but a Cap who was out of step with the world around him made for some interesting relationships.

So maybe his return to the past was done out of weakness and vulnerability, which makes him that much more human and relatable. Or maybe it was done so he could live out the last 70 years of Captain America adventures, and leave the comics canon more or less intact. Or so they could make more solo movies.

[–] ExTechOp (2758) 5 years ago

Good point, I hadn't thought about how eye-opening his return trips might've been.

He'd have had time to talk philosophy with what's left of the Red Skull, at the very least, and had time to reflect on his life path.

Personally, though, I just assumed he did it for Tony. Tony was the one who told Steve he should "live his life," yet Tony barely got the chance to do so himself. Seemed to me Steve did what he did in part to honor Tony's memory.

[–] Otter (24464) 5 years ago

Or maybe he yielded to temptation for once in his life and went back for one more look at Peggy and their eyes met without his intending them do... and suddenly he changed his mind about how to wrap up his mission.

Who knows, his motives were left unexplained.

[–] DracTarashV2 (4475) 5 years ago

Endgame’s screenwriters confirmed that not only was staying in the past Steve’s plan all along, but it was definitely something he discussed with Bucky. While the Russos themselves might offer a different explanation (I haven’t heard their thoughts on this yet), why else would Bucky say to Steve, ”I’m gonna miss you, buddy”? The way Bucky smiles when Steve doesn’t return also says it all.

And though I very much like the idea of Steve doing it for Tony (I share these same sentiments), as far as I’m concerned nothing Steve did or said in this film that was supposedly out of character for him was... out of character for him.

The main reason I say that is because Steve Rogers in Endgame isn’t exactly the same Steve Rogers from The First Avenger—Age of Ultron. Besides likely continuing to carry guilt on his shoulders for not stopping Thanos himself, at the end of the day so much had changed in the world in those 5 years since the Snap happened. So, I think it’s only realistic that Steve’s worldview had changed (hell, that’s something we started seeing in Civil War).

[–] ExTechOp (2758) 5 years ago

True enough, he's spent five years running (what I like to think is Sam's) VA support group

He actually lectures Joe Russo's character about the importance of moving on (though he later admits to Natasha that he hasn't done so himself)

He's OK with swearing and sick of hearing "I can do this all day"

He's not the same guy as he was, even as recently as "Infinity War."

It's actually kinda heavy, to think the Snap could even get to Steve Rogers

[–] Otter (24464) 5 years ago

Oh, The Snap got to all of the Avengers core team, except for Nat. She was the only one who didn't really change, Thor and Hawkeye went totally nuts, Cap changed as you say, and Banner and Stark went sane.

But then, Nat never had much of a personality.