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No fast food in the diner, yet chocolate cake and aerosol cream is fine?


Slight inconsistency

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He decided to honor Noam Chomsky day so made an exception. I thought that was fairly obviously explained.

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It was fairly obviously explained.

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That they were honouring Chomsky was indeed obvious.

But it's far from obvious why he would ditch his objections to unhealthy food in order to do so.

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I have the same convictions about sugar. But I think a treat for children OR adults on rare occasions is fine. Total abstinence of things, especially for children can ultimately lead to terrible situations where the person goes crazy and obsess about the forbidden items, and then over indulges.

Just like too much alcohol is bad for you. The movie showed the dad serving a couple of ounces of wine to the kids. In France they dilute it with water or even put it over ice for children.

Sugar really is a poison and is the worst thing in the world for healthy teeth. I know this and avoid it as much as possible. But once a month will buy a very small carrot cake or a Tres Leche and enjoy the hell out of it.

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But that's not why he didn't let the kids eat it. He was opposed to it on a moral level, not on a health level. He called the food in the diner 'not real food' yet he lets his kids eat chocolate cake?

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Sugar is not a poison. Unless you mean it in the biological toxicity sense, where every substance is a poison in sufficient dosage. Including water.

In which case, the use of the word "poison" is rather meaningless.

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Here's what he's thinking:

- if he buys each of them a meal at the diner, that's about 7 hotdogs/burgers or other processed, microwaved, re-heated-from-frozen food (lots of variations of things he's opposed to). That's too many types of unhealthy food, plus he didnt feel right to eat like that just after their mum had died- given that they had both made so many sacrifices to stick to their way of life. To eat at that diner would have been disrespectful to the memory of their mum.

- instead he opts to give them mostly fresh food (I saw salad leaves and other veggies in their loot) and then add only two items that go against his usual stance of food
:a freshly-baked cake (not a boxed, factory-issued cake) and
:a aerosol cream
Less number of poisons and a good way to keep the whole 'going off their beaten path' under control.

As someone else has already mentioned, an occasional splurge on contrabands is a good way to make sure they dont become "forbidden fruit" in the eyes of children and they can exercise self-discipline with those things later on in life. So, that cake and whipped cream served that purpose. What appeared like a contradiction was actually a good parenting decision.

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I agree about the aerosol cream. I got the theme, of course, but as the Father, the right, and consistent, way to do that would have been to whip some fresh cream, make some real hamburgers and fries, and teach the kids how to cook, as well as how to eat.

It was a preachy film, so why not get it right? But the problem with junk food is that it's junk, not that it's sweet, or fried. Done properly, all of those things can be part of a healthy diet.

Seen another way, the antidote to too much Chomsky might be Bugs Bunny, not Danielle Steel. Although, given the state of things I can't imagine too much Chomsky.

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Agree, but I think a theme of the movie is his new inconsistency and freshly wavering "faith." Plus, all Dads can be dictators at times, in the vein of "Why? Because I said so is why."

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Free food is the best food, always.

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The entire thing is deliberately 'over the top' and far fetched. The movies is a Dark Comedy. The inconsistency is deliberate as the movie is making fun of itself - eg. walk out of the diner because there is 'no real food on the menu' then next scene they are eating chocolate cake and Ben is squirting artificial cream directly into his mouth! Hilarious!

So he is being a hypocrite, just like all the cult founders who have ever lived.

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The entire thing is deliberately 'over the top' and far fetched.

Agree with over-the-top and far-fetched.

The inconsistency is deliberate....

Disagree. The movie is just sloppily written.

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Agree.

Coke BAD.
Alcohol GOOD.


Although the character wants to be an anti-estabilishment guy, that seems like a brainwashed alcohol lover adult for me. Picking buzz in the supermarket also.

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I think wine is not as bad for you as coke.

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I was more confused by where the cake came from?? He didn't walk out of the store with a cake.

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