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American audiences please boycott this


broadchurch was a huge success in America. It was both on BBC America and PBS, it got great reviews in the American press and ratings. we've already seen this its so stupid to have a remake of it. We need to send a message to the studios that we hate remakes and that they should just play the original. this is so unnecessary.

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It was the makers of Broadchurch who are behind this remake and who wanted to remake their own show. So by advocating a boycott you are mainly hurting the the people who created the show you do support. Anyway Gracepoint is only based on Broadchurch, it's not a direct remake.

There are multiple reasons the Broadchurch team wanted to remake/reimagine their show, not least the fact that ITV would not allow them full control (ie making them cut Broadchurch down from 10 episodes to 8) but Fox would. They also wanted the chance to make a big American TV series in order to further their own careers, and why not? Most people in the industry here in Britain would kill for the opportunity to make it big in the US because that's where the money and opportunities are. The chance to create/write/exec produce your own decent budget American TV series with full creative control and a guaranteed season air is something most writers would step over their own grannies for!

Broadchurch was not a "huge success" in America. It didn't air on PBS, only on the more obscure BBC America, and while it received good reviews, the ratings were pretty low. It is unfortunately a fact that many American TV viewers will not watch 'foreign' shows and there were complaints from American viewers stating they could not understand the accents.

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there were many complaints from American viewers stating they could not understand the accents.

Shocked at that, i know Americans are insular but the accents in Broadchurch weren't that strong i'm shocked American audiences couldn't understand them.

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I'm a fan of David Tennant, but there were a couple times when I couldn't understand him in Broadchurch because, contrary to your assessment, there were times when his accent was extremely thick. This coming from someone who has been all over the world and has experienced all sorts of cultures. So, you know, glad you didn't miss an opportunity to take a shot at Americans, as if they whole bunch of us are all the same.

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I agree. I love British drama. I've watched Sherlock and Luther, of course, but also

Exile
The Last Enemy
Life on Mars
Low Winter Sun
Mad Dogs
Messiah (all of them)
Red Ridings (all three)
State of Play
Southcliffe
Ultraviolet
The Village
The White Queen

Some have stronger accents than others but I've been able to follow all of them. I've also watched many longer running series like Wire in the Blood but they seem to deliberately clarify the accents unlike the series I listed. Broadchurch, like South Riding, are the only two that have given me fits so far. I didn't have closed captioning on. I will when it airs again.


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SUBTITLES!

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He is a Scotts man. Very hard to understand..I have used sub titles for a decade because I watch so much brit tv..it is so much better than american tv,by leaps and bounds., just turn on the sub titles..you get use to them I use them for everything now. And I never miss a word..esp music lyrics..lol

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I'm an Australian and we have to listen to so many British and US accents. You can't have been listening too hard if you found David Tennant's accent hard to understand at all. Turning on the subtitles in an english language TV show indeed. No wonder people don't learn to understand others. I have watched Broen, The Bridge (US) and The Tunnel which are all basically the same show. The Bridge and The Tunnel have French and Spanish subtitles respectively but of all of them I still prefer the original Swedish/Danish one which is all subtitles. I speak very little Swedish or Spanish and only a little more French.

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Turn on closed caption subtitles.

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I could always understand him on Dr Who. I have Broadchurch but haven't watched it yet. I would never boycott !!!!

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Of course you understand him just fine on Doctor Who, just like you'll understand him just fine on Gracepoint. But on Broadchurch, I thought his accent was quite thick, and it made it tedious since I couldn't get subtitles in English.

My only viable option was to watch it dubbed, which I refuse to do. So for now, I'll watch Gracepoint, and might tune in to Broadchurch later on.

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It can be difficult at times, especially with the slang.

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David Tennant's own accent isn't as thick as what he uses for Hardy. He doesn't roll his Rs or pronounce his Ls from the back of his throat as he does when he's playing Hardy.

In a radio interview, he said "Hardy feels poorly" so the more full of phlegm he can sound, the better.

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i think that's an overblown BS stereotype, plenty of Americans watch BBC series. i'm hard of hearing and usually have no problems with accents without subtitles. foreign language programs on the other hand lol

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The US ratings for Broadchurch were low though and the feedback regarding the accents is coming from the makers, not Fox. There are plenty of Americans who watch and enjoy foreign-made shows and the type of people who seek out forums like this are likely to be part of that category. But unfortunately it doesn't change the fact that a hell of a lot of American viewers won't. To have a really huge hit show in the US you really do need it to be US-centric. Nothing wrong with making a show for a smaller audience of course but in this case the people who created Broadchurch wanted the opportunity to do a version of their show for a mainstream US audience.

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I watch BBC.I've been watching Dr.Who since 1974 .I forced my husband to watch Monty Python.He resisted,by the way. He thought they weren't funny. We had a 12" black& white portable that my father had in the hospital when he died. (My dowry,Lol.) My mother had a thick German accent. My husband has an Oxford-Indian accent. I have a slight remnant of an accent. I just keep the CC on. It's hilarious sometimes how they translate words. I can tell when the Hindi has been scrambled or the German. We have high ceilings and hearing became difficult the minute we moved into the house. Knowing more than one language helps if you can read the translation and hear it. The meaning eventually becomes clear after the 3rd or 4th time you try to watch the scene. You can finally figure out what's going on in the show.Really a lot of shows,not just BBC shows,are more difficult to understand than one would think-or is it just me? I find CC very helpful and have used it since I was in my 40's. If I ever move and my hearing improves-I will know that it is all due to the very high ceilings in this house. Nice house. Very well laid out. No wasted space. But the sound goes up and gets lost. I've never seen a better design.

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There's always subtitles...

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Not all of us are. I'm American and it saddens and angers me to know that many Americans (not all, but many) are so self-absorbed now (more so than they ever were in past years), and so lazy that they will not work at anything anymore. It's English, people. It may not be American English, but it is still English. Extend your ears and your brains, and at least TRY to understand an ENGLISH show!!!

I suppose much of it has to do with the dreadful state of American education, and our much too liberal government, which is gleefully getting more and more people convinced that it's the government's responsibility to "take care of" the American population, and that people should just stop thinking for themselves, and should let the government feed them, and clothe them.

It's disgusting. As such, no one wants to do anything for themselves anymore, or look beyond their own small world and see that there is so much more out there. So I guess I shouldn't be surprised that much of the American people will therefore complain that they don't understand ENGLISH anymore.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Go ahead my fellow Americans. Jump and attack this post and my other posts. It's what you do best, and seems to be all you know anymore.

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SataiDelen! You took that hammer and nailed it perfectly!!!!! I agree a thousand percent with you. The American education is going down the toilet let alone the mentality. I watch all British programs because I can't stand all the 'garbage' that is on American TV. The reality shows are getting stupid and too much!

How many more times is Hollyweird (Hollywood) going to make Les Meiserables, Annie, NCIS, NCIS LA, NCIS Miami, NCIS crap. Gees! Enough on this 'American Crap' already!

When someone does invent a new, never before seen show on tv, it gets low ratings and people bash how stupid it is. But remakes? It gets high ratings and high praises from the 'stupid' Americans.

I asked my husbands step-mother if she liked Downton Abbey and she said she can't understand their accents and dislikes the show. WTF? I can understand them and so can my mom and we love the show. Same about Sherlock. She said Sherlock's too violent but she loves all the American shows I mentioned above and others that have violence in them. GO FIGURE!

Like SataiDelen said, "Yeah, yeah, I know. Go ahead my fellow Americans. Jump and attack this post and my other posts. It's what you do best, and seems to be all you know anymore."

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I wasn't sure if you already knew, but they've made NCIS N'awlins.

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Yes I love Law n Order uk. I can take their violence. Not as bad as ours. Ok yes that's a remake, but Dick Wolf did say he wanted to have his show done over there, so.....I guess I'm just partial to UK shows. The UK group chose which shows to remake for their legal system.

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I noticed you didn't mention Law & Order UK...

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I absolutely agree with you and the other Americans who made similar points as far as taking leaps into the worlds of British or other Foreign language (so to speak) films or television if you can't actually travel the world and experience different languages and cultures at their roots. One of the most interesting moves I made as an adult was to move from the USA east coast to a community in Arizona where I've got friends who speak French, Suisse-Deutch, Spanish, Irish accented English, and, of course, nearly every version of American accent known. I was also very lucky to have had a Father who watched Monty Python, Dr. Who and you name it on the BBC from around 1968 until he died in 2006 in his 80's!!

While I've not seen the BBC original that Gracepoint is based on, now that I know it exists I'll view both versions and judge from there. It is increasingly irritating that such a huge percentage of what is offered as new programming in the US is in actuality a subpar cake mix of stale ingredients whose date has expired.


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And, fellow American, apart from ENGLISH, which other languages do you speak fluently enough to watch shows and movies in? To read books? Ever tried "thinking for yourself" rather than spitting out what Fox News spoon feeds you?

Laziness, uh?

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Purely out of curiosity, does it also sadden and anger you when you call customer service and have to press 1 for English?

I forget, WHICH administration developed and pushed through All Children Left Behind in the educational system, resulting in children being taught to test, rather than taught? I believe it is the Texas School Board which specifically states it does NOT teach students "critical thinking" because it causes students to question "traditional values." I didn't know Texas was a bastion of liberalism, so thank for that edification.

The US has the most limited social safety net it has had since Johnson initiated the "War on Poverty" in 1964. Maybe you were too busy watching Faux Entertainment News to notice.

Change happens.

The audio mixing of many programs today to provide dynamic highlights (explosions) in 5.1 sound can result in difficulty comprehending dialogue for some, especially those with (very common) narrow bands of hearing loss due to exposure to loud noises or age. Everyone familiar with mosquito ringtones knows that older people lose high-end hearing. For some reason, I have had hearing loss in a narrow range that covers part of the lower end of the human vocal range most of my life, perhaps approximately female contralto down to somewhere in baritone range. It wasn't until college I learned I was lip reading all the time with some people. Fortunately, closed captioning allows me to focus my energies on the all-important STORYLINE, not comprehending missing words. WHAT could be the harm in that?

It must feel good to believe there is something wrong with everyone else.

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What in the world does a poor education system have to do with understanding someone speaking English with a thick accent? I'll answer that for you - absolutely nothing.

Then you toss in something about liberals just for the hell of it I guess.

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<<Shocked at that, i know Americans are insular but the accents in Broadchurch weren't that strong i'm shocked American audiences couldn't understand them.>>

Some were quite strong to my American ears, enough to prove disruptive to my viewing experience. And I watch tons of Brit TV, have been to Britain a number of times for extended periods, and have never had trouble understanding real live British people, Scots included.

I also like David Tennant a lot and I've heard him interviewed or otherwise speaking in his own Scottish accent a number of times and had no trouble understanding him (for instance his episode of Who Do You Think You Are on YouTube). But for some reason I struggled with his accent in Broadchurch. A lot. I was surprised and I think part of the reason was his delivery; he mostly spoke in a low tone that gave a slightly back-of-the-throat impression. His voice just sounded thick for some reason.

For what it's worth, I've read so many differing opinions online about this person's accent and that person's accent by people who'd watched exactly the same movie or TV episode, I've kind of decided there's enough disparity these days among the various makes of television, quality of cable or satellite dish, sound bars, and home theaters that even when we all watch the same thing we don't necessarily all receive the same quality of audio. I've reset the audio settings for our TV and those of various of my relatives in the last year to have less bass and more treble, and both we and they experience less trouble understanding certain actors, especially men with sort of baritone or bass voices. One of the best test cases is Jonny Lee Miller on Elementary. If you can get his voice set so that everyone in a household can understand him chances are they'll hear most performers just fine. At least that's how it's working in our family.


Final note: As an American who seldom has trouble understanding accents in general, I want to stick up for my countrymen and women to this extent; most of us get two weeks of vacation a year for most of our working lives, three usually being tops. Those who do get more seldom take all they're allowed every year. Most of us spend vacations visiting relatives or traveling our own country, which is huge. I've met plenty of Europeans who come here, rent a car, and are stunned at how long it takes to get anywhere. People in Europe can get from country to country in a short time and hear lots of different languages and dialects and have an immersion experience. Most Americans will never even see all 50 states.

Opportunities to actually set foot in foreign countries without sacrificing every vacation dime for the next 5 yrs. are pretty much limited to Canada and Mexico. We get almost no foreign programming on television unless you can afford quite a bit of cable and get some Spanish language channels, which have pretty crap shows. If you live in a northern state you might get some Canadian shows but they'll all be in English and Canadian accents aren't tricky.

Europeans are deluged with American television shows and movies from cradle to grave. Folks Over There have almost daily opportunities to hear American accents, even to some extent American dialects. I've watched American, German, and French shows in one evening while staying in Switzerland. It's a significant advantage, yet even with that advantage I've pointed and laughed at how badly some British actors sound when they take a role that requires them to portray an American. It really does go both ways. And ultimately, some people just don't process aural input as well as others.

So by all means Britain, keep sending us your good stuff. I love it. But as George Bernard Shaw correctly put it, England and America are two countries separated by a common language. I'll toss in Wales, Scotland, and both Irelands too. We don't want you to sound like us. Sometimes we just need a bit of help.

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Well said Kinglet!

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I agree with you on all points. I watch a lot of British programming, and usually don't have a problem. Occassionally "slang" might be used a lot. Then I have to go...what the heck did he say & do a rewind. Or the biggest problem is the background noise/music. But that goes for American tv as well.

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I had no problems with English accents - I can't take watching Tennant without his accent!! Now he sounds American ughhhh

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More precisely, his tribute to Bradley Whitford of the West Wing (Tennant's favorite show). He was really doing an impersonation of Whitford to my ears.

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I have spent LOTS of time with Brits and in the UK. But I had to rewind scenes because I could not understand The Doctor on some of his fast rambles and thick accent. He does a good US voice though. At first I thought it was a wanna be Doctor look a like. But as I kept watching, I was Sure it was Tennant. He is going to have a hard time shedding the Doctor image....

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I'm American and I had no problem understanding anybody in Broadchurch, but the thing you have to understand is that there are a lot of Americans who refuse to acknowledge any accents other than the ones they hear on premium cable OR what they've heard w/in a 50 mile radius from their home. Unfortunately, these are the ones who watch the most television.

I'm only partway through the pilot and although it's not as good as Broadchurch it's still good and I'm pretty sure I'll stay with it.

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Or, another way to look at it is that in the US you won't be judged and arbitrarily assigned to a social class based on your accent!

Also, in a country where roughly 33% of the population was born abroad (and for whom English is therefore a second language), perhaps it's more important that we understand our fellow Americans rather than David Tennant's Scottish accent on Broadchurch, esp since his accent on Gracepoint suits us just fine!

Of course many Americans could catch the show dubbed in Spanish, French, German and what not, bc get real: that's sadly how it's done in quite a few countries. I - for one - would rather pass!

But maybe you have more about America's "insularity" that you'd like to share? Or perhaps an entirely NEW cliché based on a true rumor...

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I think for those of us who like watching great acting, BBCA is a 'much watch' channel. Not having the huge budgets to distract the audience requires these writers, directors, and actors to really sell the show they are in with actual ability. Broadchurch was one of those great examples, currently The Musketeers is another example. For people who want to see great acting and well developed and delivered stories, the dramas we are fortunate enough to get on BBCA really nail it. I'm jealous that those of us with BBCA only get a fraction of what is available over there.

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Truth! BBC television is awesome. Classic example, Jekyll.

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Why were the ratings low? Because most american tv watchers are more interested in sex and beauty, than substance! Fox news is #1..that is scary in itself and most don't know why. Look at the CW or most anything, crap, crap, crap! And that is being nice! Really nice. If it doesn't go 5 plus years it isn't a hit,, were shallow and stupid and getting dumber. Ands it all about the almighty $ and we are killing us and the planet with that thinking! Half the actors on tv here and in the movies are brits and many of the stories were done already as well...i just posted 12 in the last couple years. But everything you said is legit and correct...part of the saddness of it all. But I digress. . I am not unhapoy for tennet and the people who got a deal. I'm saddened as to why the dynamics existed for this in the 1st place. It is bigger than broadchurch..that is just a symptom.

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It was also on against the NFL on CBS and Scandal.

Had Fox waited till December, to BEGIN airing it when the competition on ABC went on hiatus, it would have had a better chance to draw in a good audience. Fox really blundered things with their scheduling of it.

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Exactly what source are you claiming to cite in reference to Americans not understanding the accents? The show was a success for BBC America in that David Tennant brought Doctor Who fans to it. Thousands of viewers are more than familiar with not only his accent but other actors/actresses that were on DW as well. There was not one time I nor any of hundreds of people I know who watched it could not comprehend spoken word.
Despite Fox's claim they've made a few significant changes to their version here is the reason I won't be watching it: so far every trailer is an exact mirror image of its British original promotions. And that has nothing whatsoever to do with accents.

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I do recall reading early article claiming this, but I do not remember where. When I watched Broadchurch, a couple of times I had to do a rewind not knowing what he said. But it didn't bother me.

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So far, based the first episode, it is a direct remake. Without taking the time to compare side-by-side, it seems like they are using the same script, with only minimal changes. That spoils it for those of us that watched Broadchurch, because if it is going to be the same, then we already know who the did it.

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The identity of the killer will not be the same.

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It wasn't on our PBS & we don't get BBC. So no I am not boycotting. Why would you boycott it anyways? Just don't watch. You do know they made it already. David Tennant is back making the 2nd season of Broadchurch already.

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True.

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True.

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It's unnecessary, but perhaps it's good to look at it as a tribute to Broadchurch.

I don't really want to see a LUther remake, but I bet it happens at some point.

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I LOVED BroadChurch & if you can't understand accents turn on the closed captioning!! I just saw a couple of weeks ago BroadChurch & WhiteChapel got renewed & I'm very excited!!! I love a lot if these BBC dramas. I read on another message they will be changing the ending of this one too, so a whole new direction. I personally wish it didn't take so long for America to get these great BBC shows. And another awesome show on BBC America is Orphan-Black!! This will be a great show don't worry!

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Broadchurch actually isn't a BBC show (sorry! Being really pedantic!) but I 100% agree with you - great post!
I'm really excited for Broadchurch s2.
Love Orphan Black too. :)

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Amen!!! I love watching BBCA and even have a BBC News app on my frigging iPhone!! (My son & his wife are stationed in the UK). I love to watch the Telly when I go visit and then come back and wait 9 or 10 months for shows to be shown selectively in the USA.

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Yes, I was lucky enough when I went to Ireland to be able to see The Mill, season 1, FINALLY. I really, REALLY wish they'd air it on BBCA, but sadly, it is doubtful they ever will. I guess I'll have to go back to Ireland to be able to see season 2 of the Mill which has already aired this summer. It's a really good, interesting show.

While I am grateful that BBCA does bring some UK shows to its American audience, you and the other poster are correct at how sad it is, that we barely get any really good UK programming. BBCA just seems content (no matter how much people complain directly to them) to constantly spew out more and more Top Gear, Kitchen Nightmares, and other of these kinds of shows over and over and over again in three or four hour blocks, instead of looking to bring other types of UK shows to its programming lineup like The Mill or other shows.

*headdesk*

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^ This!! I'm racking up a list of British shows I'd love to watch, if I could just (legally) access them without having to purchase the DVDs. I swear 80% of the time BBC America is only showing Top Gear or Star Trek--I'd be thrilled if they expanded their line up, even if I have to record the shows I want due to the time slot.

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I'm going to give Gracepoint a shot. I didn't stick with Broadchurch because I didn't like the acting. The actress who played the boy's mother was lousy and the actress playing David Tennant's partner was even worse. Talk about nails on a chalk board.

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Sadly, I think your view is exactly why an American version was made rather than rebroadcasting the original. It isn't the accents but that it wasn't glamorous enough, particularly the females.

As for Olivia's voice, that was an accent she put on. Her natural speaking voice is much softer and more refined than what she used as Ellie.

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Loved the original Broadchurch and Orphan Black rocks!!! Uber creative!!

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No need to boycott. The Americans will screw it up anyhow, without any help. Just take a look of the remake of the French "Returned". Take something beautiful and turn it to sh!t.

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The remake of the returned has not aired yet. Resurrection is not a remake of the returned.



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Why would anyone boy caught and the whole "we hate remakes" speak for yourself and nobody is forcing this down your throat dont like it dont enjoy it dont freaking watch it simple fix.

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You have a boy and he's caught in something? Seriously, you couldn't even copy the CORRECT spelling of the word that was in the thread title???

This is another big problem in this country. Too many people can't spell properly any longer, and to make matters worse, are so lazy that they don't CARE.

I guess this explains why remakes are too easily accepted these days. Confirmation that too many Americans have become so lazy about everything that they refuse to engage their brains and think and TRY anymore.

ARGH!!!

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IMDb is not limited to exclusively American and/or British and/or Australian users. Sometimes the errors may not be as blatant and unforgivable as they appear, due to the author typing English as a second language. Which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for most Americans (and I am one).

While spelling, grammatical, and word choice errors drive me up the wall, you really have to pick and choose your fights and sites.

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