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Is the gay promotion/agenda really needed?


Honestly?

Why does hollywood feel the need to promote ANY chosen behavior or agenda?

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Gay people exist guy. Yeah its true. Whatever trailer park you live in may not have many or maybe hiding because of people like you but gay people exists. Because you are so afraid to show them in life guy is not their problem, its yours. Get the *beep* over it.

Do you want Hollywood to 'promote' more homophobic hillbillies like yourself? You're in luck, the RNC convention is on.

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Angry much?

Trying to truly help people instead of encouraging this choice is the PROPER liberal and progressive way to think. Then again, people like you don't seem to spend much time contemplating anything because you're too busy being angry at everything and everyone who doesn't agree with your brain-washed modern, misinformed mentality.



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Yes, at dickweeds like you who think its OK for Hollywood to show off who you are but then want to stop others for having the same rights. Yeah guy people like you are a POS. No one is trying to stop hillibillies like you to be seen everywhere stop trying to stop others because you can't be in the same room with them.

Get it straight bible thumper, its not a choice. What year do you live in to believe in this *beep* 1952 or 1962? Clearly you never made it past high school or went to a really bad one if this is what they taught you. Its not a choice and Jesus didn't live with dinosaurs. Sorry to burst your bubble twice today.

I like anybody who isn't a dickweed like you telling others they can't be shown on TV or in the movies. You stop doing that, then you stop being a dickweed, dickweed.

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Catty.

Brienne: "Any last words?"
Stannis: "Why a peach?"

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Dickweeds bring it out of me. 

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Sounds like you've been gardening picking the dickweeds?

No more agenda media! Was this a porno where we need to know his sexual orientation or was it a gay love story? No it's a damned Star Trek film.

I honestly have no problems with homosexual couples even marriage but get real it's Star Trek. Make as many films you like about the gay lifestyle but to sneak it in a popular film is disgraceful!

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Get real, it's Star Trek alright:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvfJRLTNmUI

That aired 19 years ago already. 19 years simpleton! On Teevee and everything. There were even kids around. I know I was one of them. Please learn what Star Trek is guy. You clearly don't know anything about it...dickweed!

Look at you, pretending to be super with it with the times. "Them gays are OK and all but don't be letting me see none of them on me favorite stuff like Star Trek or Honey Boo Boo or when I walk outside. If Sulu was straight then yeah thats OK to show but now since I done figured out (spits out chewing tobacco in a cup) he be gay and all, well thats like a porno I was taught in school until I dropped out in the 10th grade and thats just wrong to be showin gay pornos and on Star Trek. Staight people cain have sex, that be fine, I like straight pornos. But gay people should have special areas where they can be doin their sinful stuff away from my trailer and Teevee just like they use to have for those blacks and jews."

No you mean you don't have a problem with it as long as you can pretend it don't exist is what you're saying. They do that in other places, its called Iran. Move there if you like. Or don't see this movie, nobody cares.

Hope Sulu makes out so you homophobes will choke on your popcorn. Hopefully that video did already. 

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I have a problem with it in a film where it doesn't belong! Make films that really properly discuss this issue. Don't sneak it in a film that has nothing to do with sexuality.

Homosexuality isn't mainstream we are talking about a minority and honestly I can care less who you sleep with. It's ridiculous to make it mainstream because it's not. Get married do what you like in the privacy of your own home but keep my entertainment agenda free.

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^^I'm trying to figure out what's higher: The number of posts on this thread or your IQ?

"Don't be havin no gays on da teevee or movie now. Dey done snuck in the gayness in da movie! I DONE SENT IT MY OWN EYES!!! GAY PEOPLE IN A MOVIE!! MY EYES BE DECIEVIN ME! JESUS SAVE US!!!! SAVE US FROM DA GAYNESS JESUS!!!!!! LAWDY LAWDY LAWDY LAWDY!!"

I bet you sound just like this, right? C'mon you do. 

Just gouge your eyes out when the orgy scene with Sulu and 15 guys on Risa starts.

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You are an idiot! I bet you're a single gay man because who the f--k could put up with such a a--hole!

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"DA GAYNESS JESUS!!! MAKE IT STOP JESUS!! MAKE IT STOP NOW!!!"

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Now we get to the truth you're a self hating homosexual. Seek some help!

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Married man to a beautiful wife with 2 boys. But if I was gay, then so be that too.

You're just self hating dickweed of anything that doesn't look or act like you. People like you need the help. We passes laws in this country to stop people like you in the first place.

"DA GAYS, DA GAYS ARE 'ERE!! LAWD JESUS WHERE ARE YOU???" 


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Your poor wife or should I call her your beard?

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You're a homophobe, so anyone is gay to you that defends gay people for simply existing.  Homophobic and paranoid! You should be at the RNC convention.

"GAY PEOPLE ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!"

Again, if you don't want gay people around you move to Iran. Believe me, no movies there with gay people in it. 

Or just don't watch the movie since you clearly have no idea what Star Trek is about sadly.

"DA GAYS HAVE TAKIN OVA!!!! SULU IS MAKIN GAY PORN JESUS!!"


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Not really only irrational crazy people who insult and write in all caps. Yep your in the closet buddy face it.

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The people who are usually in the closet are actually homophobes such as yourself who act out because they can't admit to being gay. They try to disassociate themselves from gay culture by constantly putting it down and trying to avoid images of it because it reaffirms their secret and the inner battle with themselves, sort of how you're acting now basically. Look it up it's very common.

And that's also where the term 'self hating' comes from. Look that up too since you clearly don't understand what it means. Its like talking to a box of rocks that can spell. 

So buddy I guess you're in the closet then. You certainly sound like you hate gays because you're afraid you might be one.

Again, I'm not the irrational one. I'm not the one saying Star Trek is making a GAY PORNO because Sulu is gay in the movie. You did say that right? Right? Again...right? 

You also told me that gays are a minority, which is exactly what Sulu is in the film dumb nutz.  Yeah one gay guy vs everyone straight makes you a minority.

Do you understand why I think your IQ is lower than a cow's? BUT...still higher than a hamsters...for now. Its not your fault, your parents shouldn't have pulled you out of school at 5th grade to work on the farm.

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Not really only irrational crazy people who insult and write in all caps. Yep your in the closet buddy face it.

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I think you established whose in the closet:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html?_r=0

Sounds like you, doesn't it? 

A lot of irrational fear there.

Again, you're acting the irrational one here. We have demonstrated you have the IQ of a sofa.

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Don't even try to turn this around jerky. Go ahead and read the posts again. I just wanted agenda free films. You're the one with all the insults and crazy rants.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/07/08/george_takei_is_right_sulu_shouldn_t_be_gay_in_star_trek_beyond.html

Even George Takei thinks Sulu shouldn't be gay because Gene Roddenberry never meant him to be gay. You do realize George is gay? This agenda was shoehorned into the story even though it goes against what we know about the character.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CJdFppsHeo

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Yes, use George Takei to justify your homophobia. No irony there.


"I'm not arguing that with you. I know he can get the job, but can he do the job?"

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ok then by that then you must agree no more straight people kissing or showing to have relationships or families then

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SO you have no problem with gay people but their appearance is "disgraceful."


I'm not a homophobe, but....

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People tend to get angry, yes, when dumb ****s keep saying stupid **** like that being gay is a "choice" (which it isn't) that needs some kind of correction (which it doesn't), because you are ****ing pathologizing us. If some ****head-- or millions of ****heads, for that matter-- felt stupidly confident & empowered to constantly be taking to the internet to tell you that being straight (which you did not 'choose') was some sickness needing a remedy, or punishment, you'd be pretty ****in' pissed off too.

And when you're saying stupid **** to the effect that there's something wrong with us when there isn't-- "different" does not equal "wrong" when it does you no ****in' harm-- then we owe you no civility or niceness or soft pleading-for-understanding voices. However harshly you get told off for being a dumb ****, you deserve it.

So go **** yourself.


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The movie wasnt trying to encourage anything also being gay isnt a choice dude this film just simply showed a character that was gay thats all just like when you see a straight character

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touche!

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You're a moron. Homeless people also exist. So do asians, mexicans, Eskimos and all kinds of people. Why not stuff them in the movie as well?

You need to STFU and try to address the problem of why the movie feels the need to change a characters sexual orientation for nothing more than creating controversy and cheap publicity.

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Homeless people also exist.(...)Why not stuff them in the movie as well?
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Racists,sexual predators and pedophiles also exist.Did someone forget to
put them in this movie?

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Are you comparing gay people to racists and pedophiles? You're saying gay people should grouped with those and not just other every day people?

Well they haven't shown homophobes like you either. Maybe that will be in the next one when they travel back to 2016 to stop Trump getting electing and the universe gets destroyed.

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Homeless people been in Star Trek.

Asian people been in Star Trek since Sulu IS Asian you dumb fck. What do you think he is, Jamaican. 

Maybe not Mexicans but Latino people been in Star Trek.

Eskimos, ok you won that round. You should jerk off and feel good about yourself.

And now we have a gay person in Star Trek.

You need to just STFU, period or don't watch the film champ, no one here will miss you.

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Because, there are no transsexual, or gay people in the future. There are no genetic disorders, or unchecked DNA mutations in a culture which can engineer a warp drive. It's really that simple. Why would there be?

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Because, there are no transsexual, or gay people in the future. There are no genetic disorders, or unchecked DNA mutations in a culture which can engineer a warp drive. It's really that simple. Why would there be?


Because being gay isn't a DNA mutation or genetic disorder?

Because Star Trek world folks don't like engineering their children?

"Can you keep a secret? Can you know something and never speak of it again?"

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In the internet age, minorities are easily upset.....have to keep them happy :)

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Doesn't mean Hollywood needs to shoehorn in a gay relationship into every single television show and movie to come out now.

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Pumba74 likes to Pumpa his homeboys & so of course he's going to get defensive- even offensive- to support Hollywood's perversion of today's youth. He's a queer monger, so no one pay any heed to him.

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He's probably gay too and in denial. Amazing how many homophobes spend time saying they hate gays because they are gay themselves.

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He's probably gay too and in denial.
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To punish him,we shouldn't put gay characters
in Star Trek.

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No, we're doing it to punish you homophobe. 

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Maybe you need to believe that because you yourself are gay,just because someone finds your lifestyle "distasteful" doesn't mean that they secretly want it for themselves.

your deranged.

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I'm a progressive and I don't find it necessary. The character of Sulu in the original series was straight and I think it's weird they decided to change that.

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Yeah Sulu didnt have to be gay I get that too but I'm cool with it. But isnt these movies its a different universe right? But who knows, I doubt the writers of these films do.

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I'm cool with it too but I'm not a fan of the new timeline new characters theory.

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"The character of Sulu in the original series was straight and I think it's weird they decided to change that."

There was never any indication as to whether the Sulu in the original series was straight or gay. That people believe he was straight is an ASSUMPTION on their part. Heterosexuality is the default assumption we make about the majority of people we see or meet, unless we are informed otherwise.

The real agenda here is the constant need to make ASSUMPTIONS and presume them to be facts. Assumption, presumption and fact DO NOT mean the same thing.

A rose for remembrance

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His evil version in Mirror, Mirror was pretty straight. That's why I assumed he was because Kirk's sexuality was the same in both universes, so why wouldn't Sulu's be?

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"The character of Sulu in the original series was straight and I think it's weird they decided to change that."

There was never any indication as to whether the Sulu in the original series was straight or gay. That people believe he was straight is an ASSUMPTION on their part. Heterosexuality is the default assumption we make about the majority of people we see or meet, unless we are informed otherwise.

The real agenda here is the constant need to make ASSUMPTIONS and presume them to be facts. Assumption, presumption and fact DO NOT mean the same thing.


George Takei said he played a straight character end of discussion.

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Was it ever explicitly stated in Star Trek Beyond that Sulu is supposed to be gay? I figured that the filmmakers left it open to the audience's imagination. I mean that could've depending on your point of view, been Sulu's brother (since he too is of Asian descent) instead of his lover.

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I'm not at all emotionally comfortable with the depiction gay relationships, but I figure that's MY problem. Things change, life changes, what was once hidden is now recognized. We can't deny human rights and recognition for genuine human interaction between loving adults. God knows we've had more than enough destructive hetero relationships they can't be viewed as some sort of Gold Standard.
The more we understand the complexity of ourselves, the better we will be to move forward from the confines of limited perspectives.

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Sorry for the late reply, BUT

Mudd's Women: Sulu becomes infatuated with the three ladies Harry brings onto the Enterprise.
Mirror Mirror: Alternate reality Sulu makes several moves on Uhura
Shore Leave: McCoy conjures up two female cabaret dancers for his company. Their presence makes a female crew member jealous, so he passes one of them off to Sulu, who doesn't seem to mind.
Naked Time: While under the influence of the psi 2000 polywater intoxication, Sulu calls Uhura a "fair maiden."
Way to Eden: Sulu expresses interest in one of Sevrin's female followers, who tempts him to join Sevrin's movement.

So there are, at least, five specific instances in Prime Canon where Sulu is depicted as attracted to women. And in at least Naked Time and Way to Eden, his inhibitions have been shown to be significantly lowered, so being "in the closet" is unlikely. I get what you're saying about assumption (and we know what happens when one assumes), but in this particular instance, there's evidence to back it up.

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And I want to add -- my issue with the scene isn't about there being a homosexual character on ST. The franchise has always been about pushing social boundaries, and it's introduced non-cis characters before (Data and Dax come to mind most readily), and this is a particularly sweet scene and sets up Sulu's actions later in the movie.

No, the issue is that it's Sulu. For one, it makes it seem like the only reason Sulu is gay is because TAKEI is. Which is a dumb reason, IMO. To say that a character is homosexual just because the first actor to play him is insulting. And lazy writing. If you aren't good enough to play a character with a different orientation than yours, or write one that whose orientation differs from the actor playing him, you're not very good at your job.

But my other issue (and frankly, the more pressing one) is that PRIME SULU IS NOT GAY. The reason this is an issue is that, even though yes, this is an alternate timeline, Sulu is still Sulu. He's still Hikaru Sulu of San Francisco, a skilled pilot with a love of fencing. What makes Kelvin Sulu different from Prime Sulu is his experiences, the choices he makes, the actions and decisions he takes. Biologically, he's still the same person. And if that's true, that makes one's sexual orientation a choice, rather than something we're born with. And THAT is a problem.

They could just as easily have introduced a brand new character, or reintroduced a previously introduced minor character and established him or her as homosexual. Pegg's argument that said character would just be seen as "that gay character" doesn't fly with me.

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because this is what ST is SUPPOSE to be about, this franchise was always suppose to be about progression and diversity, and like it or not there are many homosexuals in this world, but ST never really had a gay character until now, it's to reflect our reality that our world is so diverse with people from all different backgrounds, ethnicity, race and sexuality.

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Closet homosexual? I think yes.

"I'm not a lady, I'm a journalist"

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Thinking that is an insult says more about you doesn't it? I'm not saying strive against those who choose to engage in this life-style choice. I'm saying try and help them and stop encouraging and condoning youth to make that choice.

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Wow you are more scared than I thought! I have never had one of my posts deleted before. Thanks for proving my point that your fear of homosexuality is incredibly irrational and more to the point within rather than without.

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It isn't a choice. No one chooses to be gay in a society that marginalises them, denies them rights and sees them estranged from their families.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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It isn't a choice.
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Remains to be proven.

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Guy have you met a gay person in your god damn life? Yeah its not a choice man. Do you think people are just lying about it this entire time? Really? When did you choose to be straight man? Jesus some you people sound like you still in the 70s. Stop your sad homophobic spinning because you don't like gay people. Its not a choice no more than you chose to be straight.

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I have gay family and no it isn't a choice but this is a Star Trek film. Believe it or not gays are a minority, fact. Not only that I can give a flip if you wear leather when you have sex or like to bark like a dog which most likely also a minorty. It shouldn't be in a Star Trek film it isn't a film about sexuality.

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One gay guy in a film with every one else as straight is actually the very definition of a minority Newton. You do realize minority means less than the majority either in number or representation? See this is what happens when you skip grades 8-12? 

ONE gay guy in a movie= "IT BE A GAY PORNO!!! GAY PORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DA GAYS ARE TAKIN OVA NOW. RELIGION IS DEAD. MURICA HAS FALLEN. WHERE ARE YEW JESUS TO STOP THE ABOMINATION OF SHOWING A GAY GUY IN A MOVIE??? THEY HAVE STRAIGHT PEOPLE IN IT TOO, BUT THAT DOESNT COUNT SHOWING 'SEXUALITY' LIKE WHEN UHURA AND SPOCK MAKE OUT EVERY MOVIE OR WHEN KIRK HAVE SEX WITH ALIEN WOMEN IN EVERY MOVIE, ONLY WHEN A GAY GUY SHOWS UP AND SAY HE'S GAY THEN ITS ONLY ABOUT SEXUALITY AND DATS WRONG JESUS, WRONG I SAY!! LAWDY LAWDY LAWDY LAWDY"

OK, its clear now: The number of posts here are easily bigger than your IQ. Don't worry, you're still much smarter than a hamster. Don't prove me wrong on that though. 

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ONE gay guy in a movie= "IT BE A GAY PORNO!!! GAY PORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DA GAYS ARE TAKIN OVA NOW. RELIGION IS DEAD. MURICA HAS FALLEN. WHERE ARE YEW JESUS TO STOP THE ABOMINATION OF SHOWING A GAY GUY IN A MOVIE??? THEY HAVE STRAIGHT PEOPLE IN IT TOO, BUT THAT DOESNT COUNT SHOWING 'SEXUALITY' LIKE WHEN UHURA AND SPOCK MAKE OUT EVERY MOVIE OR WHEN KIRK HAVE SEX WITH ALIEN WOMEN IN EVERY MOVIE, ONLY WHEN A GAY GUY SHOWS UP AND SAY HE'S GAY THEN ITS ONLY ABOUT SEXUALITY AND DATS WRONG JESUS, WRONG I SAY!! LAWDY LAWDY LAWDY LAWDY"


Such a angry closet homosexual seriously just admit it's very evident it's driving you crazy. You even insult people by calling them dickweed who calls people that? Please tell me you're trolling I don't even want to imagine a lunatic like you is raising two boys!

I like anybody who isn't a dickweed like you telling others they can't be shown on TV or in the movies. You stop doing that, then you stop being a dickweed, dickweed.


Married man to a beautiful wife with 2 boys. But if I was gay, then so be that too.


WTF wrong with you!

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I don't believe it's a choice. Did you choose to be straight? I doubt it because you were obviously born this way.

My cousin and I are the same age, she knew something was different about her when she was 10, by the time she was 12 it was official. She never liked boys the way she liked girls, she knew she was a lesbian. I was right there with her through it all, and I know she didn't choose it, this is just who she is.



My ass may be dumb, but I ain't no dumbass...

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Just come out already and you will be a happier individual. There is no hate here brother.

"I'm not a lady, I'm a journalist"

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Because questions like this still exist.

What's the 'agenda' here. To show that gay people exist? That they're human beings like the rest of us? If that's an 'agenda' then fair play to it.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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Didn't the original series have the first televised interracial kiss between a black person and a white person? I suppose that was an agenda as well (that is still controversial even to this day in some parts of the U.S.).

Star Trek has always been about pushing progressive ideals. If you don't know that then you are a fool.

Revenge is the most important meal of the day.

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I wish there was a like button on this site. I'd like your post!

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Firstly, get educated past the 80's, it's not a chosen behavior and secondly, in the context of the film, it's not even discussed or a major plot point - the majority of the population these days under the age of 30 consider this just a normal part of society so it makes sense that in the context of 'Star Trek' set in the future, that something like homosexuality would be something we've moved beyond even thinking of as different or taboo (God willing), but more just another facet of humanity that makes us all unique.

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