I'm glad I watched it, and I would marginally recommend it to others, but all the critical hype is way overblown. And the simplistic economic preaching got old fast. 6/10
I 100% agree. The movie was enjoyable, the acting was good, but everything about it felt unoriginal and predictable. I didn't check imdb before watching, so I was surprised to see such a high score and so many reviews of people thinking it's the best movie ever. 7/10 since the acting was good and the movie itself had a good pace, wasn't boring and overall an OK movie.
I came into the film cold (i only knew Jeff Bridges was in it) and really enjoyed it. I would recommended it to anyone as I think it has pretty broad appeal
I agree it felt at times like I was being hit over the head with it's economic message. But I think 6/10 is pretty low, I gave it an 8 (solid for what it is)
I think you might be underrating it because of the hype (just my opinion)
(btw also no idea what the first comment was about =P)
6 isn't as low for me as I think it is for a lot of people. I use the whole range from 1 to 10 (otherwise why not just use a star system from 1 to 5?), whereas I think a lot of people think of it like grades in school and their 6 is a D, while a 5 is an F. Not the case for me: 6 is a C+; 3 is a D, 2 is a D-, and 1 is an F.
A movie has to be very good, even delightful, to get an 8 from me. (9 is a masterpiece, while 10 is extremely rare: an essentially perfect film that is one of the landmarks of cinema.)
Ah! that makes sense, I was thinking 6 was below average!
for me I don't really think of it like that, I start at 10 and take stars off for elements I don't like! SO like 10 is no faults (also rare), 8 is a couple of faults but still solid, like a 5 is really bad, I tend not to ever rate much lower unless it's truly unwatchable! I guess that's confusing now I've spelled it out xD
I think your approach is more consistent with the way most people use the ratings. But in addition to my just stubbornly wanting to use the entire scale, I have seen so many good movies that if I did it the way most people do, I would just be giving the same couple of numbers over and over and over, because I usually stop watching a movie if I don't really find it worth my time. Which means that since I won't rate a movie that I haven't finished, I at least mildly like almost all the movies I rate, unless it just gets really bad at the end, or I'm watching it at a friend's house or with other people at the movie theater.
Thanks! But yeah, a lot of people are really thrown for a loop by my number one pick. Network was my number one for years before that, and it's a choice people can seem to wrap their heads around a lot better.
But Her is actually not such a strange pick as a lot of people think.
No worries, Flickchart is an ingenious system of ranking movies, but it's the nature of the beast that it's always rough at the beginning. And the lower reaches of my list (except maybe the very lowest couple dozen) are still kinda rough. I spent a lot of time working on the top 400-500, but below that it starts to get a little iffy, where I realize something might be 100 or 200 spots higher or lower than it really ought to be.
But the top 400 for sure is carefully refined, exactly in my true preference order. And all of those are movies I really love: currently, everything from 463 to 228 is 8/10; from 227 to 41 are 9/10; and the "top 40" (just as it happens) are my 10/10s.
OP rates Avatar a 9, "a masterpiece" according to the way he rates. Of all the James Cameron movies to call a masterpiece this is the least worthy IMO. Nobody like JC movies more than I do yet I can't even watch Avatar because the script/screenplay is such utter garbage.....with the groundbreaking special effects as the lipstick. There are plenty of his movies with awesome special effects that actually have an original/decent story.
I think Hell or High Water is a solid 9, probably one of the best movies I've seen in quite a while--although I can't help but wonder if the creators thought nobody knows the basics of money laundering, etc. You can't bring in loads cash like that and trade it for chips in a casino like that without getting noticed...everything is on tape, remember. Also, casinos report large transactions like that. Also, are banks really like that in West Texas? To where you can accost the one person going in, etc? Since when is there only one person in a bank at any time?
Not a dig at OP, and interesting to see how others rate but this movie is worth well more than a 6.
And.....goddamnit I am going to miss these forums. I still can't believe it.
OP rates Avatar a 9, "a masterpiece" according to the way he rates.
I'm not offended. I stand by all of my ratings. Including really anti-CW ones like rating Raging Bull a 5. Virtually no cinephile agrees with that (although the legendary Pauline Kael might have gone even lower, hence the "virtually").
And.....goddamnit I am going to miss these forums. I still can't believe it.
We agree on this much. I consider it an intellectual/cultural crime against humanity. A real moral travesty.
BTW, it's almost spooky that you took aim at literally my lowest-ranked "9". If you look at my top 250, linked in my sig, it's #228. #229 is The Magnificent Ambersons, Orson Welles's followup to Citizen Kane. "Ambersons" is my highest-ranked "8" (though if it had not been chopped all to hell by the studios and the extra footage destroyed, it might well be a "10" like its predecessor).
So Avatar is really more like an 8.51, just FYI.
As for Hell or High Water, it is good. I was not bored, I liked the acting and the cinematography, etc. And it didn't have any glaring flaws (the closest for me was the economic preachiness). But I keep seeing more and more good and great films, and that causes my standards to go higher and higher over the years. I ranked HoHW #845, which is in the same ballpark as other movies I never would have thought ten or fifteen years ago would be ranked so "low", as they were probably once in my top 50:
835. Good Will Hunting 837. Talk Radio 839. Risky Business 842. South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut 851. Wayne's World 854. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid 861. National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation
Also in that ballpark are movies I've seen more recently and thought were good and maybe even important, but--like HoHW--just didn't wow me enough to rank them up in the higher echelons:
838. 12 Years a Slave 841. The Mill and the Cross 850. Gigante
So I would say HoHW is in very respectable company. It's just, as someone else said in this thread, seemingly trying to be a No Country for Old Men but is, in the process, exposing itself as inherently limited to being a poor man's version.
That's amazing that you have a list....let alone one that long and intricate. I could never get organized enough to make a list like that, though I can solidly rate a movie IMO.
And yeah, it is weird. Avatar was just the first one I saw when I went to your page, and it was sort of glaring at least to my eyes. But then again I'm sure you see some of mine and disagree. I dislike Avatar and wish JC would get back to what he killed it with and stop wasting his best years with this PG13 family crap. Hopefully the sequels will be better.
And my favorite movie of all time is Aliens, just FYI. That movie is the epitome of a "10".
I loved the original Alien so much, I was kind of annoyed that they shifted it over from tense sci-fi horror to military action movie. But I'm glad to see we are both fond of Prometheus. That movie is very unfairly slagged IMO.
Oh I think Alien is a 10 as well (Ridley Scott is my fav director) but it just doesn't get my heart racing, every single time, like A2 does. A2 an example of pretty much perfect direction.
Prometheus is an amazing movie. I merely liked it in theatres but the more and more I watched it I grew to absolutely love it. It's complicated but once you get it all it makes perfect sense. The cinematography is beyond amazing. Alien Covenant, I haven't been so excited for a movie in...I honestly can't remember.
I watched it not knowing anything about it aside from Jeff Bridges and Chris Pine were the stars. Never saw any reviews, never saw anything at all other than it popping up in my Amazon feed. I was surprised at how good it was, I loved it. Also surprised when I came to IMDB and saw the average score was under 8.0.
It's always a slap in the face to me when I hear somebody call a movie that I'd never even heard of (until I saw it on TV) overrated. In other cases I may have heard of a so called overrated (according to an IMDB poster) movie, but never heard any critical or box office hype about it. Anyway on the basis that I'd never even heard of 'Hell or High Water', I'd have to say it was pretty good.