Did not see that one coming. Wonder if we'll maybe get a flashback, maybe he could be Arbogast? Either way, we now know for fact that he killed during the time jump between seasons. I wonder if one of the found bodies will be Bradley. I had the impression he dumped her in more of a bay area, but I guess I could be wrong. If one of them turned out to be her, that would give Dylan even more reason to come forward.
shareBradley and Emma's mom could both be in there, right?
So did Norman totally imagine that meeting with Edwards? I wonder why he would suddenly hallucinate him, a year after his death?
Or maybe that was a flashback scene and he got time all mixed up?
I think the new Sheriff might take Arbogast's role in the questioning scene (which we still haven't seen yet) but someone else might take Arbogast's place in the stairway scene.
Bradley, maybe, Emma's mom, I'm pretty certain is under the pit that had been intended to become a pool.
Good thought on Dr. Edwards maybe being a flashback. Norman's full-on hallucinations seem to be limited to Mother.
Oh yeah that pool pit. There were a lot of different burial sites, and there might even be victims we don't know about (and that Norman doesn't know about). Mother could have been killing more folks in that 2 year gap between seasons. If she can go out and have sex with Norman's asshole and he never knew it, (didn't he ever wake up wondering why his butt hurt?) she definitely could have been killing more ppl off camera as well.
shareI've been wondering since the start of the season if there were other victims in the time jump. I went back and forth, thinking yes on one hand, it just makes sense, but no on the other, because a dormant period makes sense, and it works better for the story (in my opinion) to see who he kills, when, and why.
Possibly the answer will be somewhere in the middle. Maybe Dr. Edwards is indeed the only previously unknown victim. Because he wouldn't be just a random motel victim that turned Norman on. Though, he is gay. I think Dr. Edwards was far too ethical and intelligent to make a move on Norman, even if he was interested. But. Norma knew he was gay. Did Norman/Mother? Because that may have made Norman feel murderous anyway. Who knows, that could've even been what spurred him to the gay club. Also, note, we don't know precisely how far Norman went with those guys physically. Plus, maybe when the time came to it, he topped? Also, from what we've seen of White Pine Bay, I have trouble believing there are any night clubs in that area that hopping, let alone for a specific demographic. I just don't feel like there'd be a large enough gay community there to support a club. Anyway. Back to Dr. Edwards not being a typical victim. My guess is he at some point went out to check on Norman, and things went badly. A typical motel guest may not have brought that out from him. There could definitely be more, and while Norman definitely falls into serial killer category by this point, I don't feel like he's supposed to end up with like, 30 victims or anything like that.
Also, random, I've enjoyed crossing paths with you on here since the transplant from imdb. Would pm you but can't on here. You seem smart, not a bully, cool points you bring up, etc
I did not realize that Dr. Edwards was gay. Maybe that is why Norman imagined him at that moment? Wasn't he on his way home from the gay bar when he saw Dr. Edwards crossing the street? Coming home with the new realization that 'Mother' had been having sex with other men, using Norman's body. That shock might have been enough to trigger a random hallucination, because it is out of character for him to hallucinate people other than Mother.
What if Mother/Norman bumped into Dr. Edwards at that very gay bar, a year ago? And Dr. Edwards recognized him in drag, and so Mother had to get rid of him since he knew the secret. And Norman being at that bar again (as himself) somehow jogged part of his memory and triggered that hallucination?
I do not think Norman would ever top with a man, not while he is in his Mother persona. He's acting like he thinks his twisted version of his mother would act, so he wouldn't be even aware of his penis at that moment, I am sure. When he's in the mother persona, he could look in the mirror naked and see a woman's body. Body Dysmorphia to the extreme.
It's nice talking to you too!
I was just a lurker on the old IMDb board, I never posted there.
Yeah, it was only touched on lightly, and once, that I recall. It was in his intro scene, when Norma was checking out Pineview for Norman, and she was talking to Dr. Edwards, and as per usual, trying to use her sexuality as a tool. She was all "You seem nice, maybe you can... help me, maybe we can work something out," like that, and he's just like "I'm gay."
Connecting the doctor to the club, that seems obvious, can't believe I overlooked that now. That makes a lot of sense as well. I hope they explain it, I want to know.
I also doubt Norman, especially as Norma, would top another guy, just throwing that out there. I feel like he couldn't have bottomed though, he'd know, so they probably stop before that point.
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shareLol I had the same thought about his butt being sore but I wasn't sure how to put it 😂😂😂
shareOnly thing I can think of as to why Dr Edwards was a hallucination was due to Norman's conscious mind starting to wake up that Mother was just his creation, in the cafe the dialogue is:
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Well, I pushed you to remember certain coping mechanisms that you had developed over the years to deal with trauma. Do you remember that?
Mm-hmm.
You don't have to handle this alone, Norman.
I'm not alone.
Do you have your mother still?
Mm-hmm.
Do you remember what I told you about her?
Sometimes I see Mother when she's not really there, and sometimes I become her.
That's right.
Well, that doesn't happen anymore, and I just miss her, you know? That's that's why I'm upset.
Would you consider resuming our sessions?
I appreciate the chat, but I've just gotta be getting back to my motel. Be well. [Norman leaves abruptly]
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Which is in the lead-up to the Marion episode where Norma tells him for certain, that conversation with Dr Edwards is as I said the start of that awakening, he imagined that him for that reason, it came from his subconscious.
Also I think there was a clue in the title of that episode which was Dreams Die First to that awakening, also Season One Episode One was titled First You Dream, Then You Die, so it points to an end point of that thought as well.
Also it plays into Episode 2 - The Convergence Of The Twain in the scene where Norman was stalking Madeliene from the coffee shop, with him peeking from behind the newspaper as she comes in where the headline reads: Citizens Raise Concern Over Pineview Institute's Security.
Link to screencap Of Norman peeking behind newspaper: https://s4.postimg.org/hud2h7lbh/norpinvi.jpg
Yeah that Dr. Edwards thing came out of left field. I yelled at the tv lol I was trying to figure out what bodies were in the water too. I can't remember what he did with Bradley.
shareHe put her in her trunk, then in the water. They never said specifically where. The water seemed calm, but I got the vibe it was larger than a lake, maybe like a bay or something. But for story purposes, she could be in there too.
shareOh yeah that's right, I totally forgot that. Thanks :) I'm anxious to see how many bodies they pull out of the lake.
shareWho knows, multiple could mean just two, Dr. Edwards and Jim Blackwell. I think there'll be a few more, but I doubt it hits double digits.
shareVery true and hopefully they stumble upon Emma's mom too.
shareI feel like they'll only find her if Norman/Mother confesses. Because Dylan has his suspicions, but no idea of the where, as I recall, the only one who knew where was Norma. And she's now been there, under a swimming pool's depth of dirt, for like two years now. I don't see her being found by chance.
shareYeah I guess they wouldn't really stumble upon her, poor choice of words on my part. They have a lot of stuff to wrap up in a few episodes. I'm sad to see it end.
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