"Another Strawman" Debunked


So these demented fanatics will first claim that "This is simply because they weren't smart enough to understand TDKR and are sad and bitter that the film was very successful yet didn't use the Joker." but then when 100% called out on this fallacy will turn around and say "There are people out there who claim that the people who bash TDKR are only doing it because it didn't have the Joker. First of all I don't know of anyone who says that is the only reason,"

This is an example of the demented inconsistent way their minds work. They also have no argument whatsoever other than "you didn't get/understand it" and then will claim to debunk all your criticisms when they in fact never even come close to properly addressing them. This is very dishonest position the demented fanatics rely on because they have no argument that supports the claim that Rises is a perfect film.

They also do not understand bad pacing. Dark Knight is an example of perfect pacing, never too fast but never lingers; takes exactly as long as it needs to and properly builds tension across the entire run time. Rises has terrible pacing that starts at a snail pace, jarringly jacks the pacing for about 15 minutes and then slows to crawl again until the last 15 minutes of the film. It is actually one of the worst paced action/comic book films ever made. The only counter argument the demented fans can make? Yup it is the same shit; 'it is perfect paced and you just don't get it because you ignorant.

Also they will still not address the plot holes such as the magical disappearing knee brace; they will legitimately claim because it was not shown to be removed we should assume it was left on despite all of the batman gear being removed; then when called out on this logic inconsistency they will say 'no it wasn't left on, but you just don't see it get removed' also 'breaking your back is the perfect cure to magically regrow destroyed cartilage in your knee'.

Then watch as the demented fans respond to you sarcastically mock them by literally doing the same joke that you are doing, because are too dumb to come up with anything on their own. but they will try to bad mouth you to other posters behind your back when you try to ignore them.

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So these demented fanatics will also lie to try to cover their own bad argumentation. For example can describe in detail the issues with pacing as I did above and yet they will create their own board and claim:

"As for the bad pacing issue they claim, even when you call them out that they can't explain what is wrong with the pacing they will retort with " well it's just bad pacing" and they will not put forth any facts or anything resembling an argument"

See about for the details on the bad pacing. But since logic, reason and the art of argument fails and when you are constantly called out for presenting fallacies in place of arguments; the last effort you can resort to is out right lying (mixed in with having conversations with fake sock accounts just so you can try to pretend that more than just you is a crazed fanatic).

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No matter how many time you describe the bad pacing:

"Rises has terrible pacing that starts at a snail pace, jarringly jacks the pacing for about 15 minutes and then slows to crawl again until the last 15 minutes of the film"

starting slow, jacking up the pacing for a short time to then slow it down even more than rush through the last 15 minutes with jarringly fast JJ Abrams style pacing is pretty much the worst sort of pacing you can do. Yes I am comparing Nolan's last 15 minutes of Dark Knight Rises to Force Awakens' shit pacing. This is basically the way to undermine your own tension and create a dull disconnected experiences. The tension is completely undermined by this pacing; very slow then way too fast, then even slower than the start, and then rushed 15 minute climax.

No matter how many times you describe this they will claim you didn't describe it. it is incredible the lengths they will go to to try to hide the shit that is their opinion and reasoning. These people should stick with the Star wars sequels. That is more aligned with the quality they like.

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They will also try to ignore the logic of the magic knee brace and the magic healing back:

Claim: "- Bane probably didn't even know what it was, Miranda Tate never found out about it so it can't be assumed she told him
- From Bane's perspective Bruce wasn't going anywhere so there was no reason to take off the brace."

So Bane knew everything about batman but did not know what the brace was. Also Miranda had sex with him; I think we can assume she saw the brace. And also, we know are assuming the brace was left on; despite ALL other batman tech being removed? If so, Why would otherwise concise and thorough character that Bane is suddenly and conveniently be careless? But I guess this is not a plot hole at all and just don't get how Bane was somehow dumb and brilliant at the same time.

Also the magic healing back:

Claim:

"in fact Bruce did exactly what you are supposed to do, he realigned his vertebrae and rested for months"

A lower Lumbar Vertebrata dislocation is not healed in a few months and punching it does not move it back into proper alignment.. Push ups are NOT recommended physically therapy for this type of injury as it will make the injury worse. Stretching and carefully positioned planks are the way to heal it. Push ups are basically the worse exercise to do with such an injury. And even with Physically therapy it takes months to heal even to be able to do simple activities such as walking. Fighting a jacked up professional fighter is NOT something you can do after a few months of make shift incorrect therapy. But I guess I just didn't get how brilliant of writing this was.

Also Claim:

" there's a nuclear bomb about to go off you don't wait around to be cleared by a doctor, "

But taking time to paint a giant gas mural of a bat is perfectly fine. I mean you have to inspire the people about to be blown up somehow? right? Serious does the word "consistency" mean anything to demented fanatics?

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These deluded imbeciles when further corned on being called out on their use of sophistry will claim 'you don't know what a fallacy is" even though you explain perfectly how their claims are non arguments and they either can't explain their reasoning or don't have any. Logic is lost on them so they have to lie to prove to themselves they are right. No one else believes them so they have to create a delusional fantasy where they are the best and everyone loves them. Hence the sock accounts where they suck their own dicks.

If they weren't such assholes you would even feel sorry for how pathetic and lonely their lives are. If they have this much time to post every single day at this fanatic of a level just one the Dark KNight Rises discussion board it means their is literally nothing else happening in their lives.

I'll check back in a few days and see how much the demented antics will carry on while I go live real life.

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Are you OK dude? Sounds like your having some sort of breakdown.

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Please pay attention to the rest of the activity on the board; this post is a direct response to a demented fanatic poster that is harassing people. I do not reply directly to them anymore because it just turns into a pissing contest with no value being added to the discussion.

You'd love this other poster though; they are as intellectually dishonest and as dedicated to bad faith discussions as you are.

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He is having a breakdown, him talking to himself is evidence of it and he sent me death threats on PM.

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he sent me death threats on PM.

Pretty sure this is bullshit.

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Here's an example:

"Let's see how pathetic fucking condescending you are when I choke your bitch ass out. KNow the difference between and air choke and a blood choke? I do. You know how much pressure it takes to crush someone trachea? When I used to roll with fighter I use to love to put the point of my elbow right into someone's neck. I would love to do that to you and crush you like the pathetic insect you are."
19 days ago

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Oh... okay... if it's legit... you are both pathetic (because it doesn't erase how YOU behave).

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Liking TDKR is equivilent to sending death threats? I'm confused on your logic.

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He obviously has major issues , and a keyboard warrior , sounds like a prized prick

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Yeah he is a very special poster but he does provide some quality entertainment. I also had Covid earlier and he said he was glad I had it and hoped I was coughing up blood.

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Me or Arflexit?

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furiousstyles has a similar history as moviechatuser497. Go over to any disney star wars board and see their 'defenses' of the criticism of the sequel trilogy. Instead of "you didn't get it" nonarguments like you get with moviechatuser497; you get "man babies just didn't like a female lead' non arguments or "you just hate disney" non-arguments fro Furiousstyles.

Both are bad at arguing (relying almost on nothing but various forms of sophistry). furiousstyles I think is just bad at arguing and not very smart. moviechatuser497 is a demented freak that bullies, threatens and harasses people just because they have a different opinion.

My reasoning for thinking moviechatuser497 is worse is way back when I first started arguing with them about TDKR they started asking for personal information and wanted my address; claiming it was so they could send a copy of Batman forever or something. I took this as a pathetic attempt at intimidation (it is a threat to ask for someone's personal address on a anonymous discussion board). this was unsolicited; I had been nothing but respectful in my disagreement with them but told them claiming someone "doesn't get a movie and that is why they don't like it" is condescending as hell. Basically I called them out on their bullying tactics and then they tried to intimidate me. So yeah, I got pretty nasty in return to them especially after they wouldn't leave me alone no matter how many times I asked.

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I would love you try to say that to my face. hypocrite much. Pretty easy to call someone a "keyboard warrior" from behind the safety of a keyboard. You and moviechatuser497 should best friends.

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Dude do me a favor dont start getting all edge lord , yes you are a keyboard warrior and I would say it to your face , you sound like a proper bell end , sort yourself out and stop acting like an edgelord.

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I have no idea what an "edgelord" is but I am a martial arts instructor; I was over 200 lbs and am extremely fit (I throw around 100 lbs dumbbells like they are nothing); oh and I was in the military for 8 years. I promise you, you would not say shit to my face. people like you who claim they would are cowards in real life because they know they can say these things and never have to be accountable to them in person. just remember; you started the insults not me.

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Haha i knew this was coming i just knew it , if i could get a penny for every dude that said im in the military or i do kung fu haha id be a millionaire, probably some fat nerd behind a keyboard playing with his weiner whilst mummy goes shopping , haha kEy BoArD wArRiORs 4life

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LOL yet you get all scared over a VHS tape, I don't believe you you weren't in the military. I knew from the getgo you wouldn't show yourself but I went anyway just to have confirmation. No one threatened you, man up you coward.

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You seriously need to chill out man. You are going off the rails here. You just threatened to choke me that very easily could kill me, there's a much higher chance of me dying from what you just said than sending a VHS tape to your house.

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choking is a regular MMA technique. I am a trained martial artist. I would not kill you; I could, but I wouldn't. Loser like you is not worth it.

You tried to intimidate me because I called you out on being a bully and your shit condescending arguments. Your attempt to intimidate me is why I think you are utter piece of loser trash and have no business discussing anything with anyone; until you mature up a little bit.

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No choking anyone is a huge risk and you could kill someone, how do you know I don't have some kind of medical condition? You threatened me with death and I have proven it. No one tried to intimidate you, if you call disagreeing with you on moviechat to be "intimidation" then you seriously need to grow up or leave the internet and go back to your cry room. No way you were in the military.

Also if you're going to dish it out don't get all dramatic over a VHS tape kid.

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It's only intimidation if I threaten to do something to you which I didn't.

"if I know where you live I will do you harm".

Except that's not what I said but you actually did threaten to do me harm so therefore if anyone is guilty of threatening someone else it's you.

Again go see a therapist, you are getting way too worked up over a movie website.

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Dude... he is 100% right.

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They also have no argument whatsoever other than "you didn't get/understand it" and then will claim to debunk all your criticisms when they in fact never even come close to properly addressing them.

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The only counter argument the demented fans can make? Yup it is the same shit; 'it is perfect paced and you just don't get it because you ignorant.

Dude... you just SO became my hero! XD

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I am no hero; I just hate bullies; especially pathetic online bullies and especially when it is on a trivial topic such as discussing movies. There is just no good reason to be an unreasonable demented fanatic asshole when talking about a movie.

It is insane to try to ignore flaws in a film that you like; most people can just say "i liked it anyway" and not try to crazily counter literally every post of criticism with some form of "you just don't get it". I mean I have never come across a poster so crazed zealous and fanatical as this and I was on IMDB for years and that place was a cesspool; moviechatuser497 is even worse.

They will ruin this site too.

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It wasn't mean to be taken seriously, it's simply that I always found fanboys delusional. And unfortunately, Nolan's fanboys tend to be intense, delusional and totally annoying.

I would say that Kristen Stewart's fanboys are REALLY tiresome as well.

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Yes, they are delusional a lot of times and it sort of ruins the fun of talking about movies. Flaws are part of films; you can talk about them even in films that you love and it can be fun. Making delusional and condescending arguments and attack people that disagree with you ruins the fun of good faith discussion.

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Flaws are part of films; you can talk about them even in films that you love and it can be fun.

Amen!

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unbelievable, I got suspended. I am reaching out to the moderators and to the site owner. watch out for mod5, they are totally not applying the rules fairly or evenly; I suspect they are a nolan fanboy themselves so are treating moviechatuser497 with special exceptions.

Note; this is not a sock account; I did this temporarily to reach out to moderators. I will delete it after I message them

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You deserve to be suspended, no doubt about it , you sow discord on this board and there is no place for it , good job Mods and good riddance.

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Seriously? you have no knowledge of the history of the issue with moviechatuser497 so just shut up with your blatant ignorance.

Also I sow no discord between people; I am totally reasonable and only discuss things in good faith; even when others do not. The only time I become more harsh and critical of users themselves and not their argument when they are not acting in good faith and are being condescending, lying, attacking, or bullying people. You are bad faith poster; and you prove it more and more.

Just because I think your opinion on one film is crap and that you make poor argumentation for why you like it does not mean I disrespected you personally and does not mean I am trying to pit people against each other. Go back and look at our discussions. I have been nothing but respectful; but now you are being nasty and spiteful because you are bitter you could not defend your opinion against legitimate criticisms. That is just petty and pathetic.

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you hate bullies, yet you threatened to choke hold / kill a user on this board?

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and all this because of a movie, the worlds gone nuts

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This is not a sock account; temporary account because moderator 5 suspended me (IMO) unfairly; unless moviechatuser497 was also suspended; in which case, that is fair.

1st; I did not threaten to kill the user; a choke hold is a pretty standard MMA technique; I am a mixed martial artist and instructor. It is pretty non lethal.

I 'threatened' to use this technique on them in response to their threat to "kick my ass and cough up and spit blood in my mouth" after announcing they had covid. This is a biological terrorist threat. Not really equivalent to choking someone out.

2nd; this is not about a movie. I think you are bad at arguing and don't argue in good faith (relying on sophistry too often) but I get no sense that you are bully that will harass people you disagree with. moviechatuser497 is a whole other level of depraved fanatic that DOES harass and bully people; and they do this for anyone that they disagree with. It is the bullying that I went after; especially since the moderators were doing nothing about it. well, I mean they suspended me now; the person standing up to the bully so that makes sense (NOT!)

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