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If you were a gangster...


Would you want Frank Sheeran on your side? I mean, at what point does loyalty become betrayal? He could have at least declined to do the final deed himself, and simply told Russ that it was too much of a burden.

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If he didn't do it himself, he (and his family) would be next - or at least that's what was implied by Pesci character.

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I guess implied leaves it open to interpretation, and I get the implication, but...

Russ (to Frank while they were having breakfast the morning of): "Frank, I had to put you into this or you would have never let it happen"....."You and Irene are going to be ok, cos you're with me....cos you're with me"

Frank was in the clear, regardless. I think Russ just wanted someone thorough to do the job. He could, and should, have declined if he was truly loyal. My take.

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The mistake is believing that loyalty will trump profitability when you are dealing with criminals. The whole point of Scorcese's mobster tales is to show how superficial the benefits of those life choices are.

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Ha! That's all I learned from the Sopranos.

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Everyone knew how dedicated to Hoffa he was. The best way for him to prove his allegiance to them was to do the deed himself. Otherwise, he'd be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life

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I completely get your point, but I would rather be looking over my shoulder for the rest of my life than take out my best friend (or at least, let's call him a very good friend). And yes, I know, Russ said it was going to get done regardless. All I know is, it would not have been me. LOYALTY means you have to sacrifice sometimes, and not always take what appears to be the easy way out, even if it means your own freedom.

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No honor among thieves. And I don't think Sheeran killed Hoffa. Sheeran was near death and broke so he authored the book.

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