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Is Gary too much of a "Gigachad/Enfant Prodige" to be relatable?


I mean,he is only 15 and:

- He is a talented actor
- He has a buisnessman spirit and opens buisnesses like nothing
- Gets sexualized by older women
- In the scene where Alana challenges him to smoke the cigarettes,she tells him "you will throw up". Now,i dont know if cigarettes can do that effect,but at least i did expect him to cough,instead,he doesnt even cough!
- Right after that,he proceeds to drive a car alone,altough he still doesnt have a driving licence
- He doesnt get intimidated at all when adults try to "humiliate" him like the Barbara Streisand's boyfriend did. I mean,maybe at the beginning he was kinda intimidated,but then,he challenged him back
- He gets laid even with women his age,so he is overall very liked by women,not only older ones
- He is one of the favorite clients of that restaurant with Sean Penn,dont know why

Isnt it kinda too much for him to be a "relatable" main character? All of this makes him "admirable",but not really "relatable". Very few people are extra-excellent like him in life,even as adults,let alone at age 15! The movie is great though!

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Yeah,i mean,he had some misses,like when he didnt realize that the lack of oil would have destroyed his buisness,and when Alana yelled at him because he was still,when they did end up without gasoline while they were in the truck,but most of the time he was really badass,and that was cool,but still,not so much relatable,considering the fact he was only 15. Great movie indeed!

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He doesn't have to be "relatable". I don't have to think "oh, yeah, this guy is like me. I can imagine myself doing what he is able to do." Movies and novels are full of characters who are absolutely nothing like you or me, being ways and doing things you and I have never been or done and will never be or do. Yet their stories are interesting.

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Yeah the movie is great anyway! But still,him being so "enfant prodige" is kinda weird,also because nobody in the film acts "surprised" of the things he does,altough he is only 15. Nobody says "you are 15 and you open a buisness??" they just act like its a common thing.

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Yeah the movie is great anyway! But still,him being so "enfant prodige" is kinda weird,also because nobody in the film acts "surprised" of the things he does,altough he is only 15. Nobody says "you are 15 and you open a buisness??" they just act like its a common thing.

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Well, Paul Thomas Anderson based him on a REAL guy -- who really WAS an entrepreneur at that young age. He became a movie producer and, after partnering with Tom Hanks became a VERY SUCCESSFUL movie producer (he produced Hanks' A Man Called Otto just last year.)

His name is Gary Goetz. He's evidently older than PTA, because PTA would have been a kid in the 1973 time period of Licorice Pizza.

The "older woman girlfriend" was a REAL actress named Kay Lenz, who was REALLY in a movie with William Holden(called Jack Holden as played by Sean Penn here) -- the movie was 1973's Breezy, directed by Clint Eastwood --and Kay Lenz REALLY helped Gary sell waterbeds(though nothing like the incident with Jon Peters happened, except I think they DID sell to Jon Peters and it was not the disaster portrayed in the movie.)

Evidently, what PTA did was to "merge" his Gary Goetz stories into a concept based on something that PTA actually witnessed: a teenage boy hitting on an older girl while on line for school photos. Its funny how that "older girl/younger boy" premise got caught up in the "groomer" battles, because PTA's point seemed to be: "Gary is very old for his age and Alana is very young for HER age-- living at home with grown sisters and parents and -- they meet in the middle."
And he kept the relationship platonic and Gary's 16 at the end: legal in Nevada, so he can move there(his mother has business there.)

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I see,well i am glad to hear such a person really exists,because i really admire his character. He must be a cool and wise guy.

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I see,well i am glad to hear such a person really exists,because i really admire his character. He must be a cool and wise guy.

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Must be...especially to have somehow connected up with Tom Hanks and given Hanks enough trust in him to partner up on many movies together.

I suppose that SOME of the Gary we get in the movie is an embellishment by PTA...but you can figure out the character's stregnths.

Take the example that Gary is well regarded -- with a regular table, yet -- at the Cock of the Tail restaurant by the owner/manager. We know that Gary was a child/teen actor for many years. He earned his own money and his mother probably let him keep much of it(I suspect the father is long gone and Gary helps support his mother.)

Gary probably went into the Tail of the Cock one evening, flashed his cash to the manager to prove he could buy a meal there...and then just kept coming in so often, ready and able to buy his meals, that the manager accepted Gary as an adult customer and "house friend": gets his special booth and royal treatment even if he can't order alcohol yet.

This works with Alana, too. She at first sees in Gary a "boy too young to date," and she puts him to an immediate test: if she goes on this date, how will he pay for it? Most young boys don't have that kind of cash -- but Gary does and he further proves it by going on about his acting work.

It is worth noting that in this "movie version," Gary loses his standing as a child actor early on (too old, too physically BIG) but moves quickly on other money making schemes. Its like he gets it -- "oh, I can't be an actor anymore, better pick some other way to make a living." We see him go from water beds to newly legalized pinball machines(after the oil crisis and other things make waterbeds passe.) Very enterprising.

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I might add that Gary risks his own relationship with Alana by getting her an agent and auditions. Soon actors both young and old alike are hitting on Alana, but Gary took the risk, in helping this "older woman with whom he can't have a relationship" to HELP her.

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