what I am going to say it is meant with no disrespect:
having growing up in germany probably makes you know (or have learnt) less than other countries. for exemple, I really doubt if Spain talks much about the Armada in history lessons, the same way Portugal only talks vaguely about Alcacer Quibir,and so on.
Countries refuse to teach most about theire failures, people don't change, germany is no diferent.
Seeing the situation in the movie rationally: He could have killed 5-10 people tops (Not sure how many bullets there are in a gun) and only if he hit someone with each bullet and killed them.
granted, in the end he could only kill a few people, I don't remember what kind of gun it was), BUT
you really think there was many people interested in becoming a martyr? so yea we can all say in iMDB «I'd have fought back» «I'd have had taken a bullet for the commun good» and that's normal... but in reality things don't work that way.
please explain what you don't agree with when i said
human nature is about the behaviour...and synergy.
cheers
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LorcaGonzalez
11 years ago
I am spanish and grew up in Germany. I can tell you that in Germany the shame and pain about WWII is very real and very present and I can promise you that it is handled openly. I also spoke with many survivors from WWII when I worked in an old people's resicence. I also study history in a spanish university. So believe me, I know my history.
We are not talking about becoming a martyr we are talking about odds. Human beings are aggressive by nature (as you can also see by the "gun-group"). That is why people would rather take what they need by force then to accept torture willingly and the probability of dying if they attacked would have been rather slim (him being blind, few bullets etc). The risk against the potential gain would have been rather small.
The agressive potential of people is massive and one of the reasons, why there is so much crime. In a way the "bad group" was more realistically portraited because they took what they needed/wanted regardless of what they had to do. That is more human in such a situation. People who are poor until desperation turn to crime instead of just laying down to starve or be evicted. Nobody would just sit down and wait to die. The same goes for drug addicts etc. It is more of human nature than what the book/movie describes. It is has to do with instincts.
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Iberian_Wolf
11 years ago
ofc, what you say makes sence, but would you be the first to play the odds game and probably take a bullet?
sure there is strengh in numbers, and again, he would only kill as much as (with a good amount of luck) half the bullets he had. all that is true, but people, just don't like to bet theire lifes on stuff.
and we can't forget, his group would do everything they could to remain in charge and keep the gun loaded. so we have one group composed by well fed men and a loaded gun against a starving group composed by starving women and men.
the odds were tottaly against them.
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LorcaGonzalez
11 years ago
As I saw it the developement took place within a matter of days, so the feeding matter wouldn't have been that much of an issue.
Of course it would depend on the character of each person if one would rather face the odds or accept the torture and suppression by the other group. I would definetely take risk of being shot, since I hate if someone tries to control over my life.
I understand that some would take the other option. I just think that most would try to fight the situation, especially since morality was low due to the situation. Which I think was the main point of the whole story, to show how quickly people loose their morality when being in an extreme situation and this contradicts the reaction of the "good group".
I think my major problem with the movie it that the groups are too homogenous. The groups were put together randomly yet they all react more or less the same within their group. It would have also been interesting to see a voice of reason in the bad group or someone suffering from tormenting the other group.
Maybe this happened in the part of the movie I didn't watch but the movie uses to many absolutes when it comes to human behaviour. If you have dozens of people you will usually get as many reactions.
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ixtrm-sol
10 years ago
any one know anything about firearms will tell you it's damn hard to hit a moving target with a handgun even when your eyes are working fine, a blind man trying actually hit the intended target in a crowded room has near 0 chance of succeeding, because even if the guy actually learned echolocation in that short amount of time he'd be deaf and blind after he fired the first shot and all the sighted person has to do is zigzag in for the kill. to stack the card even more in her favor all she had to do is hold a metal or wood board in front of her and now the guy has 0 chance of hitting her. it also wouldn't be hard for her to find/make a pointed stick to silently stab them with.
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