is this movie canon?
Now with X Apocalypse out covering much of the same story but so differently, is Origins just a mistake?
shareNope, not canon, history altered by events of DOFP.
Read my signature would you kindly?
A timeline change does not change what is or is not canon. The canon is whatever those working on the franchise consider to be part of the story and the story includes everything before and after the timeline change because the former both leads into the latter and it has/can still influence the latter. Wolverine's experiences in Origins led him on the path that in him going back in time and shaping the events of the new timeline with his actions. Also, Wolverine, of 2023, still experienced the events of Origins so they are real for him (do recall that it has remembered an unknown portion of those events thanks to Xavier getting into his head) and will continue to shape his decisions in anything set after that date. Similarly, new timeline Xavier's glimpses into Wolverine's head will shape his decision making post 1973 and to what degree that includes the events of Origins is unknown.
Now, since Origins is not liked by fans, they're unlikely to reference it very much under any of those circumstances but despite the wishes of a bunch of fans, they haven't disavowed it either and thus it's still actual canon. If that's what the OP thought canon was or not I am unsure. People misapply the term quite a bit and often like to state that canon is whatever they like and whatever they don't is non-canonical. Also, some people confuse people's statements of what they don't like as non-canonical with statements about what has or has not been announced to be officially recognized and then go around repeating what they said as if it were fact.
At this point there are so many inconsistencies outside the original trilogy that there's no point debating over which one is canon or not out of the others. You might as well just say it's starts at X-Men First Class, and alter the details of the original trilogy to make it fit the story arc in FC, and continue from there. IMHO, the only films that can be considered truly canon at this point are The Wolverine, FC, DoFP and Apocalypse. Everything else just really does not fit well at all
shareMy definition of canon is simple. It's whatever the writers have decided to not contradict or disavow, while keeping in mind that a timeline change is not a contradiction but a shift nor a disavowal of what came before as, in its own way, leading into what is happening now. That is all I'm arguing, which is to say I'm arguing against fan attempts to self-define canon based on their personal opinions and feelings as you are doing.
There are plenty of things that I don't like and I will say I think they were mistakes and never should have happened and I will even say I think they should ignore those things. What I won't do is say they're not canon because I don't get to define canon in someone else's self created world.
I meant 'canon' as you write it in your post. My problem with the series is the ending of DoFP and post-credit of The Wolverine; it looks like the owners of the X-Men franchise decided they had made a mistake getting rid of so many major characters and looked for a way to get them all back in. OK, maybe with the Professor and Magneto being powerful beings, they can be brought back, but Apocalypse rewrites so much of Wolverine: Origins it makes you wonder just how much could stopping the Sentinels from showing up in 2023 could change events happening forty years earlier. Only so much leeway to the fiction here; at least to me, you need to jettison Origins from the series to make the whole make sense.
shareWell, again, things are rewritten in the new timeline but that doesn't mean what we saw happen in Origins didn't occur in the original timeline and the creation of a new timeline does not change what is or is not canon. Imagine if you tried to apply that logic to a movie where the timeline changed multiple times just in that one movie. Let's use "Groundhog Day" as an example. A timeline is erased every day and replaced with a new one. However, would you say that just because every day save the last one never happened for anyone save Phil that they are not canon?
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