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Abortion: For or Against?

posted 19 years ago by BritBabeUK
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Hey peeps,

I have just watched this movie and found it a great movie with important issues.
How does everyone feel about Abortions and Backstreet Abortions.

I personally am 99% AGAINST abortions. The 1% FOR abortion i believe would include young teens pregnant from being Raped, which is morally wrong and it would be extremely difficult to have a baby and as it grows it would traumatize the parent of the rape, and if the baby is put up for adoption the baby would grow up and have alot of questions once it grows up and it would be difficult for the child aswell as the mother.

Its a difficult and confusing subject to talk about, where babies are being killer/Murdered for all the wrong reasons.

How do you feel about abortion and how do you feel about this movie. I feel for Vera she was a good woman who only wanted to help but she didnt know any better and she should have really looked at what she was really doing and that she was killing a human being.

But overall 8/10 movie (Some parts dragged on)

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[–] joker2thief 18 years ago

i hear this argument all the time.so abortion is wrong-except in cases of rape??????
so you only approve of abortion when the father is a scum bag?
it is still a person according to your belief right? but if the father is an ahole it is ok-i just dont see that argument.if your agianst it good i see your point.and if you are for choice-ok.i dont think anyone is pro-abortion-
i just find this such a weak argument.
if you feel it is a child and abortion is wrong-then why is ok to kill a child
becuase the father is an ahole?
under that logic if your father goes an rapes someone-then can i come to your job-an kill you?
i for one am for choice.

[–] williamecook 18 years ago

Never having given the scenarios under which abortion might or might not be OK much thought (because the question is irrelevant), I've never thought of this point, but it is an excellent one.

[–] marbleann 18 years ago

Abortion issue is not as simplistic as people want to make it. Abortion is not just about getting rid of a unborn child. Many of studies have been done and most of them agree that most people do not advocate having abortions but even though they may not have a abortion themselves they do not believe that the choice of having one should be taken away from people who want one.

I wonder if any of the anti choice people, yes I am calling them anti choice because the pro life people use their label to demionize the pro choice people. No one is pro death. Do any of you folks remember what it was like before abortion was made legal in this country? Do you have any relatives that can tell you it was not just about getting rid of a unborn child or is everything just black and white and that is all it is about? I was raised a Catholic went to a convent school so I know the mantra. The Catholic religion actually advocates that even a husband and wife substain from sex unless they want to have a baby. Well I am here to tell you by making abortion illegal is not just about "killing babies" as the anti choice would want us to believe. It is about a whole lot of other things. For one... What do you think will happen when you go for your check up and you find out that your 5 month fetus shows no sign of life? I know what will happen but I will wait for one of you anti choice people give me a answer.

[–] slaygurl 18 years ago

I haven't seen this Vera Drake movie yet, though I plan to search for it in my local video store soon. It looks very interesting.
I'm pro-choice and do not care much about the issue of life/death. If a woman wants to have an abortion for whatever reason she should be able to. As for the consequences: she chose it (in most cases) of her own free will and other people shouldn't judge or feel sorry for her if she has a breakdown, well maybe you could show a little compassion, but in the end it's done. But as MarbleAnn mentioned, sometimes it will be a medical reason that you really have no say in.
Pro-choice doesn't necessarily mean anti-life either.

[–] marbleann 18 years ago

I agree slaygurl. People need to understand that if your baby did not go full term you had to walk around with a dead fetus in you until the 9th month if the fetus does not expel itself. Does anybody think that is good thing? Well that is what will happen of we make abortion illegal. If the anti choice people think it is just about "killing fetus's" they don't remember how it use to be. Only a very nieve person would think there will be exceptions. People like Scalia and Roberts think their should be no exceptions and they are on the Supreme court and soon to be in the majority.

[–] macklin-1 18 years ago

Thank God, I'll never be able to have to make a decision like this. I'm male. But I do feel it is not a matter of what I think or what the majority thinks. It really should be a personal decision. It's the mother that must go through the physical and emotion trials of child birth, and most of that time (no matter how stable the family) raising the child as well. There seems to be many physical problems after child birth that I will never understand but have seen. Women unable to cope emotionally due to chemical imbalances after child birth. These are those stories in the news in which we hear about a mother slaying her children and although we are real quick to "prey" for them, we were unable to support them before things got out of control. There are some people who just shouldn't be mothers. But some would rather try to mold them into something that they are not than allow them to think for themselves. People who are against abortion should not have abortions .. they are obviously built for motherhood and will view the entire experience as joyful not matter how hellish it seems to the outside world BUT .. if a woman weighs all her options and with proper counseling, she should be able to have an abortion. My daughter was faced with this two years ago and considered an abortion because she was young (22) and unmarried. She recently told me that having all options open to her and the support of her family no matter what her decision, made her emotionally strong enough to have the child. Just my two cents. Oh, BTW - I Loved the movie.

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[–] tltl2 18 years ago

It was a compelling, very well-acted film, M.C. It's unfortunate people want to try to force their belief system on the rest of us by legislation. They could use a dose of Jesus' teachings and learn about the concept of compassion.

[–] marbleann 18 years ago

Actually childbirth is more dangerous then having a abortion. How many women have died in childbirth. The rates are alarming. So the problem some women have when they have a chid are bad enough, but just giving birth is a risk too. But that is another suject. I am happy to hear a man who seems to understand and is compassionate about why women might have a abortion. I cannot see how it is a good thing to condemn a person at a time when they need compassion the most. I would not be so upset with some of these anti abortion people if their concern continued after the baby was born.

[–] chrissybacon 18 years ago

I like what you wrote, marbleann. Everyone just keeps talking about the act itself, nobody wants to think about those women and what they have to go through- it is never an easy decision!

[–] marbleann 18 years ago

Thank you. I do not think anyone wants to go through any surgical procedure. When I hear people say that women use abortion as a method of birth control it just sounds so narrow minded and uncaring. It is not a easy decision and I think anyone would rather have a baby if they could. But sometimes they just cannot for whatever reasons and people need to help them. I find it amzing that the anti abortion people solution is so simplistic, choose life and have the baby. But that is where they stop. They foget about you and the baby after the baby is born in most cases. They talk about saving lives but whose life?

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[–] BluestStars 18 years ago

Unless it's an ectopic pregnancy, Im completely against abortion in all cases.

People who get abortions are either weak minded, selfish, cowardly or in denial.

[–] chrissybacon 18 years ago

weak minded? they are sooner strong minded because they have to make a tough decision; they know what they want out of life, and what they want for their baby's life to look like
selfish- call it selfish if you like, that in some cases women respect themselves and their body and know their own worth
Or take a mother who already gave birth to three children, and decides with her husband not to have the fourth child cos they don't have enough money. And they're thinking about their children's future and want them to at least have good education...
cowardly- it takes a lot of courage to go through a procedure like that, esp. with being so denounced by the part of society that only wants them to feel ashamed for something they don't need to be
in denial- she would sooner be in denial if she went through with an unwanted pregnancy- that child would get much love later in life, I'm sure. But who cares about what happens later- you're only here to condemn one act

[–] angelgrl623 18 years ago

i think abortion should stay legal

[–] Anyhoodle 18 years ago

its a choice, thats all im gonna say

"now that i have your attention....." Van helsing.

[–] deadsetlace 18 years ago

For.

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[–] williamecook 18 years ago

Better idea for "Eraser47": You post your email address and phone number here, and when the next woman in the situation described above is considering an abortion, she calls you instead and you adopt the child with no questions asked: male, female, white, black, red or yellow, disabled or not, no matter your religion, curren financial position or beliefs (including the ones where you believe others suck and you're great).

No? What a surprise!

[–] BoogieKnight 18 years ago

I'm not just pro choice, I'm pro abortion. And to show that I have no inconsistancies in my beliefs, I also support the choice of assisted suicide, regular "I'm depressed" suicide and I support the death penalty. In the scheme of things human life doesn't mean anything. Some people here want to put far too much significance on life in general, and it smacks of both egotistical self importance and insecurity about humanity.

And as the above poster replied, those who are outspokenly pro-life ought to be in line to adopt these unwanted children, otherwise they are just preachy, loumouthed, unrealistic, finger wagging pieces of trash. I sure as hell wouldn't take such a stand unless I was willing to pony up and adopt so as to do my part for the cause. Pro-lifers don't put their money where their mouths are. But most of them are really just into legislating their anti-sex "morality," at the core of the issue.

[–] slaygurl 18 years ago

Lmfao. That's so right BK. "Death is certain. Life is not." People need to realise that the world is already over-populated.
Rented Vera Drake tonight, probably watch it tomorrow afternoon or whenever I get a chance in the next week.

[–] Razor187 18 years ago

Why? There's so many people who want children already out there.

Number 1, I order you to go take a number 2.

[–] BoogieKnight 18 years ago

There is no back log of parents just waiting for babies to adopt. And if there was, hey you could pick a kid from Africa, you racist. Why does your kid have to be white if you are?

[–] Razor187 18 years ago

What?? Of course there are. That includes the homosexual couples too, who have to adopt if they want children (or artifical insem. I guess).

Number 1, I order you to go take a number 2.

[–] BoogieKnight 18 years ago

Most people who oppose abortion oppose gay couples adopting children, so good luck with that. It's yet another hypocracy. Maybe you can tell me where there is a backlog of parents waiting to adopt. I'm looking at an ad in the L.A. Weekly this week that is for an "adoption day." I'm serious, it's like they are advertising for homeless animals, but it's for "new-borns to age 10." As far as I know, the parents simply have to meet the requirements for adoption, and that is obviously a waiting process, but that's it.

And like I said, there is certainly a surplus of babies in Africa or China, just for starters. Angelina Jolie can't adopt them all.

[–] Razor187 18 years ago

Well if they have to resort to going overseas (and it's not just her, I know of people who have adopted from there), what's that say about the US?

Number 1, I order you to go take a number 2.

[–] cazzygirl24 18 years ago

One couple who is really good friends with my family just adopted a baby boy, "James" (not using his real name) from somewhere in Africa, I'm not sure exactly. A couple of weeks ago they were telling me a little bit about his birth mother and her situation for giving James up for adoption and they said that his mother was seriosly considering having an abortion. She never did decide one way or another because James came nearly two months early and she never had the chance to make a decision. She ended up giving him up for adoption because she didn't want him and could never love him. Every time I look at James now my heart practically breaks, because he is the cutest little kid you could ever see in your life and it just breaks my heart to think that someone, his mother of all people, wanted him dead.

[–] whopickle 15 years ago

"she never did decide one way or another because James came nearly two months early and she never had the chance to make a decision."

...ummm, abortions at seven months? That's called premature delivery, numb-nuts. You're an idiot. What do you mean she never had the chance to make a decision? You don't kill fetus when it can survive on it's own, that's pretty ridiculous. I'm pretty sure that story came straight out of your ass.

[–] cytoplasmrox 16 years ago

i am completely 100% pro-choice, and i'm an irish catholic for christs sake. as jay in dogma says, 'a woman's body's her own *beep* business.' as concise an argument as i ever heard... cx

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[–] cazzygirl24 18 years ago

True a woman's body is her own and what she does with it is her choice, but why kill her child? She might as well give birth to it and then strangle it.

[–] whopickle 15 years ago

no way! Why would you ruin your body and go to prison? Take care of the problem the sooner the better.